Message from @M4Gunner

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2018-05-07 07:23:59 UTC  

Tired old debunked arguments

2018-05-07 07:25:14 UTC  

you can always just point them to previous debunkery

2018-05-07 07:25:20 UTC  

They are relics from the past like Cuba

2018-05-07 07:26:35 UTC  

I have some really interesting ideas to do with the political compass thing

2018-05-07 07:27:38 UTC  

Seems the further left you go, the more you think of the past and the farther right you go the more it thinks of the future, with the center being the present moment.

2018-05-07 07:28:02 UTC  

Make sense?

2018-05-07 07:28:44 UTC  

hm, youd have a hard time illustrating that with facts maybe

2018-05-07 07:29:17 UTC  

Like communism is based on historical determinism

2018-05-07 07:30:00 UTC  

to make a good future you need to look at the present and the past
i can only speak for myself but i'd place myself in the middle and that this is how i think

2018-05-07 07:30:32 UTC  

And the right is future speculation

2018-05-07 07:30:55 UTC  

Like Jesus returning and saving us all lol

2018-05-07 07:31:20 UTC  

I'd like to overlay religious ideology on the political compass as well

2018-05-07 07:31:28 UTC  

can you make that work on paper?

2018-05-07 07:31:44 UTC  

I think so

2018-05-07 07:31:46 UTC  

you have to prove your presuppositions

2018-05-07 07:32:11 UTC  

you think the right doesnt think about the past very much?

2018-05-07 07:34:14 UTC  

Hmm

2018-05-07 07:34:54 UTC  

Maybe inconsiderate about where things will take us

2018-05-07 07:35:19 UTC  

even if that's true, what does proving it accomplish? how does establishing this help further your goals?
it's a lot of work which may not prove valuable

2018-05-07 07:35:47 UTC  

Could help people gain insight

2018-05-07 07:35:55 UTC  

i think it's gross oversimplification also

2018-05-07 07:36:12 UTC  

Well this is just an idea I'm floating around in my head right now

2018-05-07 07:36:24 UTC  

what makes you think this? anecdotal experience?

2018-05-07 07:37:13 UTC  

Well I mostly thinking about religious ideology which the far left and right appear to be keen on

2018-05-07 07:38:10 UTC  

the best way to see if a presupposition is true, is to try to prove it false

2018-05-07 07:38:22 UTC  

Like the left is new-age and the right is orthodox or something

2018-05-07 07:38:38 UTC  

fundamentalist

2018-05-07 07:38:59 UTC  

traditionalist?

2018-05-07 07:39:11 UTC  

Something like that

2018-05-07 07:39:24 UTC  

in family values? everything? economics?

2018-05-07 07:39:35 UTC  

foreign policy?

2018-05-07 07:39:43 UTC  

and if you're a conservative christian marxist

2018-05-07 07:39:44 UTC  

what then

2018-05-07 07:39:54 UTC  

I was doing a lot of research on the biblical origins of utopian socialism in relation to communism

2018-05-07 07:39:56 UTC  

yesh, its way too simplified

2018-05-07 07:40:39 UTC  

Our current pope is communist

2018-05-07 07:40:51 UTC  

links?

2018-05-07 07:41:24 UTC  

He was a Jesuit priest and they teach Liberation theology which was created by the KGB

2018-05-07 07:42:55 UTC  

if you want to say, people on the right think more about the future than the past, what's your Sample Size?

2018-05-07 07:44:26 UTC  

and where would you find enough information to establish that many people's mental habits?

2018-05-07 07:45:55 UTC  

hmm. There's many ways you can define left and right, and most of the times the definition are contradictory.