it's not fair on the person because they never can make any plans

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.... zero hour work week?

well, no one should be desperate enough to have to take a 0 hour work week

On-call

on-call != 0 hour work week

What kind of dumbass signs onto that kind of job?

because they exist, there are unfortunate situations were a person has to take that kind of job

I mean.... at least they got time to continue job hunting

tbh, I've never heard of this before

the answer to 0 hour work weeks isn't communism though, it's stable jobs.

It's also not govt interference.

Hell, it's probably caused by your minimum wage laws, tbh

probably, but that doesn't mean those aren't shitty too

@PartlyAwesome By minumum wage laws, I meant their existinence

minimum wage laws are a tough topic

No they're not, if you're economically literate

because i don't think an-cap philosophy will result in good conditions for regular people

flexible contracts are pretty shitty too, agree

This is why economies fail, because bleeding hearts get this idea that we need to legislate rules on how people can work

an-cap philosophy just leads people to working unreasonable hours to support themselves and their families

At my place of work if you can't work on 2 shifts where you said you were available to work you get let go

I'm not talking AnCap philosophy

@Fitzydog european/american economies have done alright since the introduction of various labour laws

This is basic economics

It's fair imo

But flexible working co tracts don't inspire loyalty from employees in my experience

One of the Scandinavian countries doesn't have a minimum wage

that country has ~100% union participation though

and the union for each industry negotiates a wage for everyone

Oof, that sucks

"mUh BaSiC eCoNoMiCs" idk i'm pretty sure every first world country has a minimum wage law, it's not vital to remove them

what I'm trying to explain to you, is thst you keep voting in your own freaking problems

i think actually the retarded working conditions developing are from importing millions of low skill workers

and the decimation of western manufacturing

if your business can't survive without employing people reliably, then your business deserves to fail

Do I need to draw up supply and demand curves, and give an introductory econ101 course on how markets determine the value of goods?

Yes

It sure seems like it

@Fitzydog the Place where I worked when I was still in HS told me they would've hired me as help programmer to help while I'm studying at uni, but they can't because with all the new hiring regulation they would either have to employ me illegally without telling the state or pay a fuckton for just a tiny bit of labour

Took so long to type you guys probably changed subject in the meanwhile

Here's a real HOT TAKE that y'all can't seem to grasp:

Labor is a product that conforms to supply and demand laws.

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