raising kids is expensive if you're like the masses and just buys all your babies shit new

people don't know what frugality is nowdays

Fiscal relief and support is how you'd do it.

If you can't afford kids don't have kids

It's not like it's much better with illegals either way.

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By the nature of their condition they don't pay taxes other than in purchases (and even then it depends)

the reason raising babies wasn't expensive back in the day was that people didn't have money to waste smh

and they use up local services funded with actual taxpayer money.

@Amir poor people arent poor because they have many kids, they have many kids because they are poor

The more kids they have the more chances the money will come to the family onve they start working

Yah but In a industrial setting or in modern America where it’s not as agricultural dependent I feel more children for the poor becomes a large expense for them until they become older (if they become productive to begin with)

Yeah it's the 21st century more uneducated kids =/= more income

Unless by income you mean fucking welfare...

@Deleted User "stop being poor"

Yeah in most western countries it really is that easy, just takes some effort and the will to reject government handouts

tbh, why reject any money you can take from the government

that's my policy, they're already taking too much from me

Or you can be the government's bitch forever

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anyone who can work but doesn't is an awful person

So there's 2 people, both came to Canada 30 years ago, 1 of em hasn't worked a day in his life and the other has worked almost all those 30 years as a taxi/ambulance driver. The guy that worked his ass off recently got his retirement and it's barely anymore than the fucker that just took the welfare paycheck from day 1.

@PartlyAwesome stay at home moms?

but there are genuine cases of like "can't work"

Topkek system

stay at home moms, if they are voluntarily supported by a husband, sure why not

Almost like the welfare system is put in place to enslave and keep the poor exactly where they are

Whilst negatively impacting those that actually work

Government money can help like I get financial aid for college since I don’t have much money and it makes a world of a difference (financial aid since it’s a investment into education as long as you pass your classes) but, I’m against using government programs being used as a wheel chair rather then a crutch since it’s not meant to be permanent and should be used as a safety net to help people not sustain people

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I think putting more money into things like financial aid or something rather then welfare would help since education is one way of moving up in social classes

It's the only way

The most people who use financial aid are upper middle class white kids

You can be a entrepreneur

I’m a Hispanic that lives by the border

I’m American above all else tho

yeah, government schemes to help people afford shit that has become ridiculously out of reach. like i'm on the UK's help to buy isa scheme so i can get 25% extra to what i've put in because the housing market is fucked

@Amir `Almost like the welfare system is put in place to enslave and keep the poor exactly where they are`
the problem is you're only looking at guys

I also agree that people under the "voluntary unemployment" category shouldn't receive benefits. But people under "structural unemployment" do need them

the welfare system is actually for women

Is for idiots