their genesis then

mkay, that's fine

no?

That's not what coalesced means

Jeremy is being hypocritical over on TheQuartering.

this is some right wing stuff right here

spicy hot wings

im too centrist for you, im afraid

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Progressives have had a firm grasp on the political course of european history for over 300 years

wow

lol

i find that hard to believe

1719 ad?

that's like during the enlightenment

nigga wut

is that because socialism began 300 years ago

His non-researched smear of the Yogscast is idiotic. He rails against people who do the same exact thing, but he can do it?

what's your thought process on that

The Whig party

that's when the whigs got started?

I'm not sure, but progressive politics can be traced linearly all the way back to them very easily

i thought the whigs were aristocratic or something

Preceisly

aristocrats existed before tho

Ahh, but they had real power now

what do you mean by aristocrat

maybe we have different definitions

Progressivism is decidedly aristocratic.

The elites know what is progressive and what's not. They know what is good for you

i got that

Aristocratic is a pretty narrow definition. I don't think it differs between us

okay define it

An elite ruling class with swaying power over large swaths of society

so like nobility going back to ancient times?

Power by lineage, people who know how to work things.

The aristocracy is not the nobility

Plato's ideal governing body is the aristocrat.

@What Would Jack Conte Do? Nobility tended to have an sense of self-responsibility amongst them. A 'noblese oblige'

They learn how their system works as they grow up in power basically. It's like old money.

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