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If the industrialization of the Soviet Union could be achieved without starvation, Stalin would have taken that option without question

You didnt hear of stalins plan for Kulaks?

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https://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

https://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

That was the plan for Kulaks

Kulak starve or be killed

Or go to factory

kulak label shifted as Stalin and the upper party saw fit, just so yknow

Pol Pot was openly genocidal though, if you want an example of a truly murderous commie

"looks like we need more resources for more tanks" "okay, lets sieze all the wealth of the next income bracket down; the majority are still in lower brackets, so it's further steps needed for revolution"

Factories were more important than farms

That's all

Feeding factory workers was a priority, peasants were secondary

Ukraine was the most agricultural part of the Soviet Union

It naturally suffered the most

i think the fact that they deliberately ignored the plight of ukrainians amounts to genocide

regardless of what the justification is

I mean stalin's leadership wasn't that great the only thing he knew how to do was use brute force

I would classify at as manslaughter

Gulag and political prisoners would be murders, sure

and the part that they killed anyone that did try to warn about the famine is a sure sign it was deliberate

nah, it was deliberate "We'll take their food, and they'll starve, but it's a good cause."

manslaughter is "Oops they starved. I thought they had more food but they didn't, oops."

Well, Stalin hoped that they would starve as little as possible, but well..

they knew they were killing them but went ahead with knowledge

manslaughter is plea of ignorance

Communism is a pretty ignorant system tho

true

They thought that Russia will turn into a paradise of the proletariat where everybody has all the bread

cummunism gay

thought you'd play better stalinist devil's advocate lol, but oh well

I still think Hitler's death toll counts as worse

depends on what you factor

work now, byeeeee

Yea

JayJS then the Holocaust was involentary manslaughter. Hitler just wanted factory workers. See no different from what you said

Unless they were women, children, or too weak to work

Hitler: 20 million
Stalin: 40 mollion