Message from @mattforney

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2019-10-13 21:21:09 UTC  

more like Serbia

2019-10-13 21:21:21 UTC  

a vacant parking lot used by all the derelicts in the neighborhood

2019-10-13 21:22:00 UTC  

honestly they've done a good job as far as governance

2019-10-13 21:22:20 UTC  

they didn't fuck with Saakashvili's good reforms, aside from overhauling the healthcare system

2019-10-13 21:22:34 UTC  

their main problem is the flight ban

2019-10-13 21:22:44 UTC  

Why did it happen?

2019-10-13 21:23:19 UTC  

the anti-government riots over the summer led Putin to ban flights as a security measure

2019-10-13 21:23:35 UTC  

it's a way of forcing the Georgians to shit or get off the pot

2019-10-13 21:23:44 UTC  

clearly declare their allegiance to Russia or the U.S.

2019-10-13 21:24:15 UTC  

the government dithered as long as they could and then picked the U.S. in the most weaselly, noncommittal way possible

2019-10-13 21:24:18 UTC  

pleasing no one

2019-10-13 21:25:04 UTC  

Oh, so they half-assed the entire thing and lost on both sides

2019-10-13 21:25:25 UTC  

exactly

2019-10-13 21:26:01 UTC  

and despite being an "illiberal," "authoritarian" government in the mold of Fidesz, every time the opposition sneezes they run to offer them a Kleenex and some cough drops

2019-10-13 21:26:46 UTC  

a big part of the problem is that Georgian Dream aren't really ideological and are just a bunch of cowardly civil servants and oligarchs

2019-10-13 21:26:55 UTC  

they want to keep skimming off the top and avoid serious issues

2019-10-13 21:27:47 UTC  

during the presidential election last year, Bidzina Ivanishvili (the capo of Georgian Dream), used one of his charitable foundations to buy up the debts of 400,000 people

2019-10-13 21:28:02 UTC  

which is a big number (the pop is only about 3 million)

2019-10-13 21:28:13 UTC  

Doesn't that raise questions?

2019-10-13 21:28:18 UTC  

it was a last ditch effort to win the election since the government candidate and UNM's candidate were tied

2019-10-13 21:29:04 UTC  

it raised questions but not enough for people to care because Salome Zurabishvili (the Georgian Dream candidate) ended up winning

2019-10-13 21:29:09 UTC  

she's a doofus

2019-10-13 21:29:20 UTC  

an expatriate who speaks Georgian in a French accent

2019-10-13 21:29:54 UTC  

you see the different mentality compared to Fidesz: they pulled out all the stops to get a clearly mediocre person into power

2019-10-13 21:30:57 UTC  

Are they trying to be self-defeating or to keep nice with the opposition?

2019-10-13 21:31:34 UTC  

To be honest, fidesz also have huge blind spors, but they are ruthless vs the opposition when they act

2019-10-13 21:31:41 UTC  

like I said, they have no real ideology and just want to make money, so they overreact any time there's a threat to their income streams

2019-10-13 21:32:00 UTC  

they think throwing concessions at people will get them to go away

2019-10-13 21:32:07 UTC  

they're all carrot, no stick

2019-10-13 21:33:27 UTC  

Then there is no future there, although I think no european country has any future

2019-10-13 21:33:43 UTC  

For different reasons they are all doomed

2019-10-13 21:33:47 UTC  

a good comparison would be to Viktor Yanukovych, who basically tried to be everyone's friend

2019-10-13 21:33:58 UTC  

and got run out of power by ideological fanatics

2019-10-13 21:34:39 UTC  

I'd say Georgia has a bit further to fall at least re: poz

2019-10-13 21:34:58 UTC  

one of the few major things Georgian Dream did was rewrite the constitution like Fidesz did

2019-10-13 21:35:27 UTC  

they inserted a clause banning gay marriage

2019-10-13 21:35:58 UTC  

of course, this is the FSU, and that kind of thing can be overturned with a "plebiscite" where a bunch of votes just materialize out of thin air

2019-10-13 21:36:35 UTC  

Yeah, it is nice that it is there but that can change anytime

2019-10-13 21:37:01 UTC  

pretty sure Ukrainians didn't expect that Euromaidan would end with Azov Battalion veterans marching in pride parades, and yet it happened

2019-10-13 21:38:02 UTC  

Is the media also on such bad shape over there?

2019-10-13 21:38:27 UTC  

I mean, of course very few people would look up what the news are in Georgia