Message from @Trunksüchtig

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2019-10-13 21:20:45 UTC  

my estimation is that Georgian Dream (the incumbent party) will remain the largest party but all the opposition parties they fucked over in the past decade will gang up on them in a coalition

2019-10-13 21:20:58 UTC  

Bosnia without the ethnic conflict I guess

2019-10-13 21:21:09 UTC  

more like Serbia

2019-10-13 21:21:21 UTC  

a vacant parking lot used by all the derelicts in the neighborhood

2019-10-13 21:22:00 UTC  

honestly they've done a good job as far as governance

2019-10-13 21:22:20 UTC  

they didn't fuck with Saakashvili's good reforms, aside from overhauling the healthcare system

2019-10-13 21:22:34 UTC  

their main problem is the flight ban

2019-10-13 21:22:44 UTC  

Why did it happen?

2019-10-13 21:23:19 UTC  

the anti-government riots over the summer led Putin to ban flights as a security measure

2019-10-13 21:23:35 UTC  

it's a way of forcing the Georgians to shit or get off the pot

2019-10-13 21:23:44 UTC  

clearly declare their allegiance to Russia or the U.S.

2019-10-13 21:24:15 UTC  

the government dithered as long as they could and then picked the U.S. in the most weaselly, noncommittal way possible

2019-10-13 21:24:18 UTC  

pleasing no one

2019-10-13 21:25:04 UTC  

Oh, so they half-assed the entire thing and lost on both sides

2019-10-13 21:25:25 UTC  

exactly

2019-10-13 21:26:01 UTC  

and despite being an "illiberal," "authoritarian" government in the mold of Fidesz, every time the opposition sneezes they run to offer them a Kleenex and some cough drops

2019-10-13 21:26:46 UTC  

a big part of the problem is that Georgian Dream aren't really ideological and are just a bunch of cowardly civil servants and oligarchs

2019-10-13 21:26:55 UTC  

they want to keep skimming off the top and avoid serious issues

2019-10-13 21:27:47 UTC  

during the presidential election last year, Bidzina Ivanishvili (the capo of Georgian Dream), used one of his charitable foundations to buy up the debts of 400,000 people

2019-10-13 21:28:02 UTC  

which is a big number (the pop is only about 3 million)

2019-10-13 21:28:13 UTC  

Doesn't that raise questions?

2019-10-13 21:28:18 UTC  

it was a last ditch effort to win the election since the government candidate and UNM's candidate were tied

2019-10-13 21:29:04 UTC  

it raised questions but not enough for people to care because Salome Zurabishvili (the Georgian Dream candidate) ended up winning

2019-10-13 21:29:09 UTC  

she's a doofus

2019-10-13 21:29:20 UTC  

an expatriate who speaks Georgian in a French accent

2019-10-13 21:29:54 UTC  

you see the different mentality compared to Fidesz: they pulled out all the stops to get a clearly mediocre person into power

2019-10-13 21:30:57 UTC  

Are they trying to be self-defeating or to keep nice with the opposition?

2019-10-13 21:31:34 UTC  

To be honest, fidesz also have huge blind spors, but they are ruthless vs the opposition when they act

2019-10-13 21:31:41 UTC  

like I said, they have no real ideology and just want to make money, so they overreact any time there's a threat to their income streams

2019-10-13 21:32:00 UTC  

they think throwing concessions at people will get them to go away

2019-10-13 21:32:07 UTC  

they're all carrot, no stick

2019-10-13 21:33:27 UTC  

Then there is no future there, although I think no european country has any future

2019-10-13 21:33:43 UTC  

For different reasons they are all doomed

2019-10-13 21:33:47 UTC  

a good comparison would be to Viktor Yanukovych, who basically tried to be everyone's friend

2019-10-13 21:33:58 UTC  

and got run out of power by ideological fanatics

2019-10-13 21:34:39 UTC  

I'd say Georgia has a bit further to fall at least re: poz

2019-10-13 21:34:58 UTC  

one of the few major things Georgian Dream did was rewrite the constitution like Fidesz did

2019-10-13 21:35:27 UTC  

they inserted a clause banning gay marriage

2019-10-13 21:35:58 UTC  

of course, this is the FSU, and that kind of thing can be overturned with a "plebiscite" where a bunch of votes just materialize out of thin air

2019-10-13 21:36:35 UTC  

Yeah, it is nice that it is there but that can change anytime

2019-10-13 21:37:01 UTC  

pretty sure Ukrainians didn't expect that Euromaidan would end with Azov Battalion veterans marching in pride parades, and yet it happened