Message from @mattforney

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2019-10-13 22:00:31 UTC  

Putin is the worst thing about Russia

2019-10-13 22:00:39 UTC  

he literally imprisons actual Russian nationalists

2019-10-13 22:00:40 UTC  

in huge numbers

2019-10-13 22:00:56 UTC  

if you compare the portions of Eastern Europe that were under German/Austrian domination versus the ones that were under Russian domination the former are always better off

2019-10-13 22:01:11 UTC  

Yes but didn’t he put the oligarchs in line

2019-10-13 22:01:17 UTC  

no lol

2019-10-13 22:01:19 UTC  

they run amok today

2019-10-13 22:01:24 UTC  

oligarchs put him in power

2019-10-13 22:01:33 UTC  

and the big Jewish one, Abromovich

2019-10-13 22:01:41 UTC  

which basically gave Putin his position

2019-10-13 22:01:47 UTC  

is still a big supporter

2019-10-13 22:02:45 UTC  

Interesting I guess I had it backwards

2019-10-13 22:02:45 UTC  

yeah that's a running theme in FSU politics

2019-10-13 22:02:59 UTC  

one group of oligarchs gets expelled and another one gets in

2019-10-13 22:03:15 UTC  

Russia is just like a poorer America

2019-10-13 22:03:23 UTC  

massive multiethnic republic

2019-10-13 22:03:36 UTC  

everything owned by oligarchs

2019-10-13 22:03:46 UTC  

native people getting fucked, no birthrates

2019-10-13 22:03:48 UTC  

committing suicide

2019-10-13 22:04:26 UTC  

I tried to explain this to Americans who ask why Poland/Hungary don't leave the E.U.

2019-10-13 22:04:36 UTC  

Eastern Euro states can't go it alone, they need allies

2019-10-13 22:04:52 UTC  

and for the past 200 years the main players in Eastern Europe are Germany and Russia

2019-10-13 22:05:01 UTC  

everyone picks Germany if they have a choice

2019-10-13 22:05:44 UTC  

the Germans are obnoxious but they didn't send troops in to rape every woman between the age of 16 and 60 like the Russians did

2019-10-13 22:06:32 UTC  

no Germans just get the Moslems to do it for them

2019-10-13 22:06:34 UTC  

lol

2019-10-13 22:06:41 UTC  

lmao

2019-10-13 22:07:15 UTC  

but yeah Eastern Euro states in a really bad position

2019-10-13 22:07:19 UTC  

both options pure shit

2019-10-13 22:07:55 UTC  

dissident right Russophilia is embarrassing

2019-10-13 22:08:12 UTC  

I have lived in Russian majority places for a long time

2019-10-13 22:08:18 UTC  

Do they have minerals or natural resources to exploit? Cheaper labor to compete with? Any way out of this?

2019-10-13 22:08:47 UTC  

@Right_Honourable Poland is emerging as a power because of their population and economy

2019-10-13 22:09:03 UTC  

they're one of the few countries in the world that didn't get whacked during the recession ten years ago

2019-10-13 22:09:27 UTC  

of course they also have poz seeping in from the edges

2019-10-13 22:09:42 UTC  

no amount of economic activity is going to make any eastern european country not need western allies

2019-10-13 22:09:48 UTC  

if they don't want to be part of the russian federation

2019-10-13 22:10:06 UTC  

and almost anything is better for these countries than being a part of the russian federation

2019-10-13 22:10:18 UTC  

especially ukraine and poland, putin would march as many dagestanis and chechens and azeri in there

2019-10-13 22:10:36 UTC  

that was already happening under yanukovich, and was a source of huge resentment

2019-10-13 22:11:04 UTC  

yeah that's what I try to explain to people; the E.U. isn't good but the E.U. also hasn't significantly harmed its Eastern Euro members in the way that Putin would