Message from @DaveyJones

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2019-10-06 15:24:43 UTC  

and it wasn't some opiod drug..it was anti biotic type

2019-10-06 15:27:18 UTC  

ok but none of this addresses my question

2019-10-06 15:27:55 UTC  

if the coroner cannot determine what the poison was or how it got into his system, how does he know it was poison?

2019-10-06 15:33:39 UTC  

@DaveyJones That is why official autopsies take time and it would automatically be deduced as a poisoning if a person was healthy yesterday and was suddenly ill today with symptoms of poisoning, especially when a family member has the same symptoms. Make sense?

2019-10-06 15:34:54 UTC  

define 'symptoms of poisoning'?

2019-10-06 15:35:20 UTC  

and since when do they report on what they don't know?

2019-10-06 15:36:30 UTC  

also if there are symptoms of poisoning, shouldn't that directly indicate what kind of poison it was?

2019-10-06 15:36:49 UTC  

how else would you recognize them as symptoms of poisoning?

2019-10-06 15:37:17 UTC  

at the very least they should be able to tell us if it was a hematoxin or a neurotoxin etc

2019-10-06 15:38:05 UTC  

I'm not a doctor nor did I go to medical school. Rashes, internal unexplained pain to name a few and neither of these point to a specific form of poisoning. An official autopsy will take time.

2019-10-06 15:38:11 UTC  

same for indications of how it got into the system

2019-10-06 15:38:56 UTC  

sure they do, how else would you differentiate them from symptoms of a bunch of other possibilities?

2019-10-06 15:39:18 UTC  

like bacterial infections, viruses, etc

2019-10-06 15:39:27 UTC  

allergic reactions

2019-10-06 15:40:06 UTC  

Rashes can be from eating something, coming into contact with something and breathing something. So picking one is not going to be done without some further examination

2019-10-06 15:40:26 UTC  

rashes can come from any numbner of other causes too

2019-10-06 15:40:36 UTC  

including those i listed above

2019-10-06 15:44:28 UTC  

Exactly and an official autopsy and diagnosis will take time if the toxin does not discipate (sp?) before they get to it. It seems reasonable to come to a preliminary cause of poisoning based on both the husband and wife having the same symptoms and both being healthy with no problems one day and sick the next. We will have to wait for the official autopsy to determine it's origin

2019-10-06 15:46:23 UTC  

that doesn't sound reasonable at all

2019-10-06 15:46:30 UTC  

HOW do u know it is poison??

2019-10-06 15:46:42 UTC  

there is no universal set of poison symptoms

2019-10-06 15:47:11 UTC  

unless you know what poison it was, you can't even make the preliminary call

2019-10-06 15:47:36 UTC  

Your skepticism is well understood. I'm not saying there is a universal set of symptoms. We are talking in circles... I'm done.

2019-10-06 15:47:49 UTC  

for every set of symptoms caused by any form of poisoning there's a bunch of other potential causes for those exact same symptoms

2019-10-06 15:48:23 UTC  

in other words you don't have an answer either

2019-10-06 15:51:24 UTC  

Never said I had the answer @DaveyJones. My point is there is at least one plausible answer that will answer your question. There is a preliminary call made by someone else for reasons we don't know. If the Medical Examiner thinks there is foul play he will call it a poisoning so an autopsy is demanded, investigation and prosecution can be made. It is the practice of a law abiding society. Blessings friend. Have a great day

2019-10-06 15:54:16 UTC  

you think it was better under W?

2019-10-06 17:05:52 UTC  

There are poison symptoms @DaveyJones and medical examiners can very easily tell if someones been poisoned, Being able to tell which poison it is exactly could be more difficult. You rule things out, like if someone becomes very sick and dies all of the sudden and there are chemical anomalies on their blood its easy to put 2 and 2 together.

2019-10-06 17:06:12 UTC  

Finding out which poison it is is sometimes easy and sometimes near impossible.

2019-10-06 17:06:49 UTC  

and sometimes they're not allowed to call it a poison

2019-10-06 17:10:21 UTC  

ya medical examination laws actually vary from state to state. With Connecticut being the most corrupt and in favor of cover ups

2019-10-06 17:25:25 UTC  
2019-10-06 17:50:27 UTC  

@Bleezer i don't buy that at all

2019-10-06 17:51:14 UTC  

there are no universal poison symptoms, there are thousands of poisons with thousands of combinations of symptoms