Message from @butler

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2021-01-15 15:17:41 UTC  

and hey we should be seeing 2 more executions here soon

2021-01-15 15:18:33 UTC  

oh wait 1 of them already occurred

2021-01-15 15:55:45 UTC  

this is gonna be an unpopular opinion. but if someone is facing life in prison with out the possibility of parole (the level just below death row)... the average yearly cost is between 34.7K and 36.3K just for food/clothes/housing/security, not including other needs like medical. or any emergency response they require.

2021-01-15 15:56:23 UTC  

It cost more for them to be on Death row lol

2021-01-15 15:56:24 UTC  

why not just execute them? it spares the tax payers from the expense. it spares them from a life in a cage, and it spares the institutions from the workload

2021-01-15 15:57:01 UTC  

oh i understand. but why not expedite that process a little bit... just devil's advocate here

2021-01-15 15:57:13 UTC  

Cause than there is no due process

2021-01-15 15:57:30 UTC  

i dont follow

2021-01-15 15:57:56 UTC  

Morals and emotions, its very heart wrenching for someone to take a another life, even if it is justified. There's also the chance that they were wrongly convicted and you kill an innocent individual

2021-01-15 15:58:01 UTC  

have they not already been through due process before the conviction?

2021-01-15 15:58:24 UTC  

Well let's say you are innocent, but you are seen guilty by the jury. Your execution is in a year.

2021-01-15 15:58:30 UTC  

Wouldn't you want to appeal it?

2021-01-15 15:58:49 UTC  

Better yet if the appeal works, you would want to send it higher.

2021-01-15 15:59:17 UTC  

sure, so then add a statute of limitations type deal.. like they get 5 years to appeal,

2021-01-15 15:59:32 UTC  

So you see why it cost more

2021-01-15 15:59:34 UTC  

Uh problem, all of these individuals that trump has executed have been on death for at least 15-25 years

2021-01-15 16:00:10 UTC  

This last guy trump is executing has been on death row since 2000 for the killing of 3 women

2021-01-15 16:01:24 UTC  

And i was wrong on one thing tho, i said that cory johnson (who was executed yesterday) was convicted on killing 10 people during a drug war

2021-01-15 16:01:41 UTC  

just seems like an unnecessarily expensive endeavor for taxer payers, if the person is to stay in prison for life

2021-01-15 16:01:47 UTC  

with no chance of parole

2021-01-15 16:01:56 UTC  

Turns out it was 7 people, with another 4 being killed by other gang members

2021-01-15 16:02:16 UTC  

You can also turn this into a moral argument

2021-01-15 16:02:31 UTC  

The Death penalty is technically a cruel and unusual punishment

2021-01-15 16:02:39 UTC  

But at the same time, it also isn't

2021-01-15 16:02:58 UTC  

id argue life in a cage is worse

2021-01-15 16:03:27 UTC  

Well it was cruel for the victims of these killers to be murdered in cold blood without any sort of justice

2021-01-15 16:04:06 UTC  

I agree .. they try to get on death row on the inside if they got life .. causes extra violence within the prison

2021-01-15 16:04:25 UTC  

Excessive fines, but still they would also get the easy way out of life

2021-01-15 16:04:33 UTC  

under the death penalty

2021-01-15 16:05:09 UTC  

I stand by the belief that a life for a life is justifiable case for the death penalty, if it is clear the individual is not capable of rehabilitation

2021-01-15 16:05:42 UTC  

All these executions are justified as a result

2021-01-15 16:06:46 UTC  

Time for me to brush up on my hacking skills to make a fake cert.. I don't want the vaccine

2021-01-15 16:07:37 UTC  

No joke. Talk about, "Let me see your papers."

2021-01-15 16:08:06 UTC  

yeah, its a pretty terrifying prospect

2021-01-15 16:08:13 UTC  

The power is out here on a sunny day.. is it red6 time?

2021-01-15 16:08:50 UTC  

I honestly haven't tbe slightest clue whats gonna happen, but i hope it works in our way

2021-01-15 16:09:06 UTC  

*also we need to try to keep the news channels news, not discussion*

2021-01-15 16:09:35 UTC  

and honest, need to keep them honest

2021-01-15 16:09:52 UTC  

thats one of the biggest problems for me... is people see the dishonesty, and then dont turn it off...

2021-01-15 16:10:02 UTC  

thats why they keep lieing.. because people keep watching!