Message from @Eden
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yea so if all poor people get they 2 goats and 40 acre's everyone is happy now?
as i am not responsible for them being oppressed 150 yrs ago. as for now we all all the same level...
I know I'm being "insensitive" by typing this, but I want to point out that I dont think less of people of any other race/color. I dont think of myself as superior or any better. I have an overall frustration in life regarding unequal treatment, where I think all people should be treated equally. And it has affected me so so so many times in life, and that has been unfair treatment....
also please keep in mind that we are talking about BLUE states, where i said such discrimination happens, not entire US
healthcare - that is a myth. I spent years working in healthcare specifically I know what happens from financial side. I can tell you for a fact that minorities generally pay significantly less for healthcare (on the order of 10x less magnitude), and usually get the benefit of better more comprehensive treatment, and quite often without a bill. This is nationwide, not just blue states
SCHOOL and EDUCATION: funding for schools - do we have racial segregation still? No, we dont. On the contrary, as far as schools are concerned, minorities get special scholarships often for reduced tuition in private schools. In BLUE states (which is what I was referring to with discrimination), I dont think there would be a single classroom, anywhere, where you would not see a large proportion of minorities. Not a single one. So this is not true. I dont want to say with 100% certainty, but I dont believe that in NE, and entire west coast pretty much, there are non mixed communities anymore.
@Eden, you just advanced to level 15!
On the contrary to what you said, just as above, in higher education, there is just blatant discrimination against caucasians and asians. For example, I had actually 3 friends that were applying to medical school. One of them is hispanic, with bio major, gpa 3.39, with 505 mcat score, and for extra curricular she put in "skydiving" (she jumped once ance talked about that experience, ridiculous!) [she got in to 2 prominent state schools, and because of race she qualified for a scholarship, not much but helps]. Another friend is white with gpa 4.0 and mcat of 520+, dont recall exact [ and he got into that same state school, obviously took student loan]. 3rd friend with gpa 3.65, 517 on mcat, and tons of volunteer and medical experience, and she applied 2 years in a row to all the major medical school in and out of state, and didnt get in anywhere.... and this is well known knowledge in medicine and law, that you have to be 98% if you are asian or caucasian, and 60-70% if you are not asian or caucasian.... There are only a few schools that make exception to that and generally charge tuition of 50k+ per year....
marriage/wedlock - hows that any fault of anyone other than any particular person and their own fault?
crime rates - again, thats on a particular person who is participating in crime
incarceration rate - I would agree with you there in regards to red states and country overall. And I do believe we should have a comprehensive prison reform with reevaluation for sentences for drug possession etc etc... I dont want to say that its not so in blue states, because to be honest I dont have the statistics. It may be not true. But the injustice here would be only if minorities received disproportionally higher sentences, or rate of prosecution, and I would 100% agree that that needs to be addressed. but at the same token, if given all other things like sentencing and prosecution being equal, if due to higher crime rate there is disproportionate number of minorities in prison, then so be it. I would support some social education progeam, but not giving into EVERYTHING, just because there was discrimination some 35+ year ago.
That being said, you are also partially incorrect re this issue. There are high number of illegal immigrants in US, who are 99.9% minorities. Often, illegal immigrants who get arrested, just get released all together intentionally before ICE gets there. So technically they can commit more crimes. Vs citizens get held and require to post bail etc. ... so just a thought...
if we over correct now how is that fair to anyone? lets see how that works out for us. seems to be a leftist view to prop up anyone due to a birthright and not the effort they put in no mater race color creed or religion
Neither do I. Neither do I. Do you? Maybe you should look at the idea that "Equal opportunity" is simply something that doesn't exist at the moment then. Quite frankly the statistics and facts seem to disagree that minorties get better care in healthcare, simply by the outcomes. As for funding for schools, segregation may not be imposed by the state right now, but surely you don't think it doesn't exist in another form in the present, right? Patently untrue, there are many schools with more than 90% white/black students. Homogeneous demographics are extremely common.
All of this is anecdotal and while great for conversation, it is basically easily dismissed in debate.
I don't even know how to respond to this other than SMDH.
SMDH. Poverty is a primary cause for increased crime.
Well I hope you understand massive suppressions over 200 years, even while maybe 50 years ago, still STRONGLY affects a group today. It's our problem, because our ancestors decided "lol don't care, just be free /shrug"
I never event talked about immigration, so I guess I'm incorrect about a point I never even brought up? Okay.
my only point about immigration was that what business do we have to take on more when we cannot take care of the people we have now. Congrats we are all poor now so we are starting out from the same place. So it seems time to go all robinhood wish you luck on that one bro. Looks like we are running out of places to go if we care to keep our liberties.
the outcomes in healthcare depend on a lot of things, including the studies and the people who do those studies.. All I can say is that it's complete myth that poor people have less access to healthcare in US, they dont... The people who pay for healthcare are middle class that usually make at least 45k/person (per year). People underneath that do not pay anything. Its how the system is set up.
In BLUE states, there is NO segregation. None! I wouldn't mind at all to be proven wrong... But I haven't seen it, havent heard of it. (and no I have not looked at evey single school statistics for the sate of CA, OR, WA, NY, DC, etc [insert a always blue state here]) And if there is a school or 2 out there that on the off chance has mostly minority students, I dont see how you can assert that the state gives that school less money than the others... that is impossible
Well I hope you understand massive suppressions over 200 years, even while maybe 50 years ago, still STRONGLY affects a group today. It's our problem, because our ancestors decided "lol don't care, just be free /shrug"
- I understand it, I do not believe in reparations, and what is happening in BLUE states, and US in general, by reverse discrimination is a form of reparation. You basically take what used to be (not sure this is accurate statistic) 40% of population? of african americans in 1960s, add millions and millions of immigrants from south america, delute this number to x% blacks out of total of about 55% minorities nationwide. In CA for example (just the biggest state....), now African americans are at 2.2M, whites at 14.4M, asian 5.8 M, everyone else for total of 40M. That figure does not include about 10-15M of undocumented immigrants that are not included in the census.
So the math is black are at 4%, whites + asians at 40% (likely an overestimate).... so here's your logic:
15% of the population opressed 4% of the population over 50 years ago it stopped but overall for about 200 years prior. Now, because of that 4%, we have to give all the benefits possible to 60-70% of the population, and discriminate against 30-35% ust because of their color
what about asians that were opressed since 1800s and treated like slave labor in california?
Isn’t most important part of health care preventative medicine, regular checkups, catching things early
why dont they deserve to have preferential admission and sponsored tuition
Well we're going to obviously disagree on this first point. This idea that all the studies are false because... discrediting the authors? is a fallacy. There is still segregated communities, yes. This is true. There is no state-enforced segregation, but people are largely still segregated into poor groups of minorities. You're simply wrong about this. I can prove it to you if you'd like, but it's very abnormal to reject this reality.
that is all available to anyone
I don’t know too many poor people having access to preventative health and dental
Most people aren’t paying full price for theraflu
I didn't say that its false only because of the studie and authors. I said it is false based on my own experience and what I've seen as far as care that people receive and billing etc
Or whatever prescriptions. If they are they are better off buying health care
i'm saying I do not believe those studies
Where do poor people have access to regular check ups and preventative health. @Eden
and btw, I AM for universal healthcare... absolutely. I think eveyone deserves equal access to healthcare and equal bill for healthcare. Thats not the case right now.
Middle class is footing up the bill, and they CANT go to ER
Anecdotes are not a good way to discredit statistics...
I can tell you that #1 thing that is important in healthcare, is access to ER. A person with medicaid can go to ER for free anytime anywhere in the country. A person with insurance, is likely going to end up with 5k bill
me thinks there is no enforced segregation at all. seems to be more of a choice than real or authentic. just like democrat vrs republican regions. just like the vote i dont see that big of a disparity of views.
Dunno where this idea came from that they aren't.
@Eden yeah but you said regular checkups for medical and dental are available to anyone. How many poor paycheck to paycheck people have money left over for a full price doctors visit let alone if they actually need a procedure or medication?
Oh yes, it's just a choice to be poor.
just as much as it is a choice to be homeless
... lol
Everyone goes to ER when its actually needed, and [i copy pasted]
A person with medicaid can go to ER for free anytime anywhere in the country. A person with insurance, is likely going to end up with 5k bill
You're missing the point.
yea i can stand by that view stop lowering the bar and we all could be better off...
Not getting cancer is better than getting cancer and needing it removed.
And finding cancer before it progresses stages is better than waiting until you're dying of cancer.