Message from @[DOGSC] Julian Darklight
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@Deadly_Ramon utterly untrue. They are indeed the same God.
Yall don't like to admit it, but it is historically verifiable and true.
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight The God of the Bible vs. that of the Koran: https://www.answering-islam.org/lovesus.html
God is just an idea. It doesn't exist. So whether or not it's the same God is irrelevant.
@Deadly_Ramon once you remove the "biblical take" and look at historically accurate evidence, it's a simple fact that they are the same God. Just two of three different takes on that God.
This is why Judaism, Christianity and Islam are referred to as "Abrahamic Religions". They all descended from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight Non-Trinitarian cults like the LDS and Watchtower Society might have derived from Christianity, but that doesn't mean that their conception of God is equal to the Bible's; neither does Islam's supposed derivation from Judeo-Christianity prove that its conception of God is Biblical.
'This study examines the crucial question that needs to be addressed which is whether the God presented in the Quran is indeed the same God revealed in the Holy Bible. The Quran alleges that the God of Islam, Allah, is indeed the God of Abraham and hence the God of Scripture, Yahweh Elohim. But is this the case?
Are we to assume that just because the Quran states that Allah is Yahweh of the Bible that both Jews and Christians are obligated to believe this to be true? Or do we examine the nature and attributes of Allah in order to compare them with the biblical portrait of Yahweh to find if this is the case? '
https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
@Deadly_Ramon I will address the first paragraph by saying that whether or not Allah is biblical, does not really matter. What matters is historical accuracy. Muhammad clearly states that his God is the God of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob. Secondly, Jews worship the same God, no one denies that, but they don't believe Christ was the son of God and that seems to be the defining factor in these articles.
@Deadly_Ramon the attributes of both gods are extremely similar. A lot of vengeance, an order to expand the belief, and forgiveness.
So a failure of proof, imo, on both fronts.
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight You keep citing historical accuracy as if that settles the argument, but claiming that one's opinion is historically accurate doesn't make it axiomatic. The left does that all the time, typically after revising history to whitewash its sordid past.
'The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.'
We have to mostly judge a belief by what is written down by it's founders and seen as Gospel. The writing of Mohammed clearly states, many, many times, that his God is the same God of Abraham. The same God Christian's and Jews descended from.
Why should we take him at his word? Cause he said so. Why do we take Jews and Christians at their word about their god and who they worship? Cause they said so.
Yes.... but I'm not whitewashing or changing history. Mohammed himself, stated this. It's recorded fact.... I don't see how that is altering history
Your right, the past is not alterable. It can not be changed. What Mohammed stated, what was written down, is not being changed by me.
It is unalterable
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight The New Testament states that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human, who died on a cross and rose from the dead. The Koran says that Jesus is just a prophet who didn't die on the cross, and that observing his divinity is blasphemy.
https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/clarke/worship_same_god.html
@Deadly_Ramon that's true. But the debate there isn't the God in question, it's whether or not Jesus was the son of God or a prophet.... the same debate that Christians have with Jews. But I'm the case of Christianity and Judaism, no one denies that they worship the same God because they clearly do.
The same is true, very clearly true, for Islam
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The debate there is over the Status of Jesus, not the God they worship.
You see, while I may now be an agnostic Pagan, at one time I was in a Christian cult where I studied all three religions in depth. I have read the bible through, cover to cover at LEAST 12 times.
I am more well versed in Abrahamic religious doctrines and philosophy than any minister I have ever met or heard of except the one who led my cult.
So I welcome these debates, love them in fact.
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight Trinitarianism, which the Koran redefines as tritheism and rejects as blasphemous, is the belief in one God in three persons. Jesus is God the Son, Mohammedans think he's just a prophet, and thus the God of Islam and that of Christianity aren't fungible.
https://carm.org/trinity
@Deadly_Ramon that is a debate over the NATURE of the God, not a debate over whether or not it us the same God.
The debate you pointed out about the trinity is one had among different Christian sects, but no one denies those sects still worship the same God. It is s debate over his government and NATURE, not his being.
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For example, my sect of Christianity stated that there is a clear and separation of beings in God and Jesus.
After all, if jesus and God are the same being. Why would God pray to himself in the Garden before his crucifixion?
But no one denies we worshipped the God of Christianity. We did. We just had a different take on his nature than most.
@Deadly_Ramon also, by the same argument that you linked, the God of the Jew and the God of the Christian cannot be the same.
Say it. If you truly believe this argument, state or the record that the God of Jews and Christians is not the same.
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight Sounds like you were in a cult, maybe Armstrongism, Oneness Pentecostalism, or some similar group (like the Global Church of God or the United Church of God) that denies the deity of Jesus Christ. Regardless, I maintain that Allah isn't Yahweh, but understand why you (now that you've revealed your background in a heterodox belief system) see things differently.
https://carm.org/jesus-christ/jesus-pray-himself
@[DOGSC] Julian Darklight Eve Online and Star Citizen enthusiasts are playing basically the same game (though slightly different in nature), as both stem from same general essence (Wing Commander and especially Privateer). In fact, it is recorded history that Chris Roberts created Wing Commander and Privateer, so that makes his Star Citizen project more authentic a spacefaring experience than Eve, whose design was highly influenced by his 1990s franchises.
@gauravtee I actually respect diversity more than the leftists do
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Guys I made a joke and I don't know if it's good or not, tell me what you think lol:
Border patrol officer: Age an' ID please
Asian: Oh no no, I cannot go back. reave me be, I has nice famiry wit wife and children!
Border Patrol officer: Hey! Stop! What's this all about?
Asian: You fwom Chinese government and you try to take my back to China!
Border Patrol Officer: Sir this is a US checkpoint.
Asian: Okay guewd, because me could not fit Asian ID in bag when I fit all dis rice inside.
Also question: Why are there Muslims in Australia?
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that "joke" gave me depression
Lmao