I was confusing utility with production of wealth

Yes.

and some things you just can't buy

That's a common mistake.

okay

but self worth and utility have to be correlated

in some way

Because, let's face it, if you and I were bros and, let's take your name, you were the one that got me to go to the gym and lift more than I would for myself, you're of value. To me.

to my 2nd point

"Their morals, their code; it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. You'll see- I'll show you. When the chips are down these, uh, civilized people? They'll eat each other. See I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve."

people that tend to have high self worth tends to have high utility value

and vice versa

Correlation, yes, causation, weak to moderate (and that's usually going from utility to self worth, not the other way around).

self-worth can grant you higher utility

your mentality can make you work harder

fake it till you make it kind of thing

@Space wix Lol, and it turned out that the "bad guys" downright opted to allow the "normies" to blow them up or not.

if you have supportive friends and a good social circle

of people that have high utility value

See, you're still deriving value from people.

so there can be causation in that way

There's nothing wrong with that. We are social animals.

i'm agreeing with what you're saying

I'm just looking at what you said about causation

Ah, that wasn't clear. I was thinking about the joker.

well is having a high utility value bad?

Absolutely not.

a lot of MGTOW men seem to think so

do they actually though?

i know that's anecdotal but a lot of youtubers

yeah some

That's because they are including a premise that is largely unspoken.

they see it as having a big red target on your head that makes you more exploitable

"it is not beneficial to be of high value ||to women||"

but not from the perspective of being able to help more people

or provide yourself financial security

"it is stupid to provide assistance ||to women||"

to advertise you're a millionaire is a silly move, to be a millionaire is not

I see what you're saying

So i'm about to start my first year of law school in august

as a 1L