https://youtu.be/0kxDfMafZkI

Pump action mossberg 12ga shotgun AR-15 weird

Wait there are shotgun caliber ARs now?! I need one.

12 gauge ar15 would be nice

30 rounds of hell

https://www.classicfirearms.com/ar12-semi-auto-ar-15-platform-12ga-shotgun/

They actually make one.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/promag-mka-a1-20rd-drum-mka1919/

20 round mags to.

dude the comment section on this video is the best I have seen in a hot minute.

What body armor do people have or plan on getting at some point? AR500 has a black friday sale in right now with BOGO on many of their steel armor including their Level3+ curved. I know a lot of people dislike AR500 because if the potential spalling if you break off enough of the protecting spall coat. Has anyone bought AR500 or what do you have?

I guess ar500 is more durable though, so probably a better option if your going to carry it on a daily basis in bag or something.

I have no exp with body armor, but in my mind, if it saves my life, who cares.

One of the advantages of AR500 is it has no set lifespan. Most body armor starts breaking down over time but steel obviously doesn't. It's an advantage for me when it's one of those investments you hope you never need to really use but if you do you want to know it's still good even if it's 20 years down the road.

exactly my thoughts

If you buy ar500 don't take off the protecting spall coat because that is what is helping stop the spalling. Also if you buy it try dipping it in truck bed coating it can help catch the fragments when the bullet hits.

The spall coating on it is basically bed coating from what I understand.

whats the dif between level 3, 3+, and 3A again?

I would just save up and buy some HESCO plates though. There lighter and won't send bullet fragments into your neck and head.

I think you are right on the coating possibly being bed liner.

does hesco have a lifetime?

3A is for pistol calibers, 3 is for most rifles, 3+ technically doesn't exist but is usually for advanced threats like armor piercing rifle rounds. Level 4 is more for anti material rifles which I don't really fear.

thx bro

I will probably just go for level 3 because I want a plate for my backpack, which typically has inches worth of books and notes in it anyways

the odds that someone even gets a rifle into a school building or college class without getting caught seems slim anyways.

Hesco does have any expiration date (5-7 years I think) but they are lighter and catch the bullet instead of sending the shards everywhere.

do ya'll think I should go with a flat plate for a backpack?

good point bradyn. shrapnel is certainly nasty

Backpack, flat would probably be fine

Saves a few bucks

im not so concerned with the price. I just want whats most comfortable/practical.

Yeah I've gotten lead stuck in my arm before from steel target plates it hurts like hell.

https://shop.opticsplanet.com/premier-body-armor-vertx-gamut-2-0-11-x18-level-iiia-bulletproof-backpack-insert.html?_iv_code=3PE-BPA-BBPI1-BPP-9084&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=CjwKCAiA-_L9BRBQEiwA-bm5fmRVuwyAFJTP9ZZ4Vh82RwEl0xXIurodIu-l2MZuMTCR2l4I-s1CshoCasMQAvD_BwE

I would get this for a backpack.

Steel armor or just a steel plate? The spall coats are meant to stop most of bullet fragments.

But they don't always work the bullet tends to just slight between the plate and the coating then come out into your arms, legs, or neck.

I guess this is a no-go for civies?

https://www.cheaperthandirt.net/premier-body-armor-vertx-gamut-checkpoint-backpack-panel-12x19.5-level-iiia-black/TAC-930-081.html?gclid=CjwKCAiA-_L9BRBQEiwA-bm5ftreBk7Mxlkm7Rz96hLEZadJUkf4UkNuLJR9mNgsYHYBLk0iFOdzCxoCAQYQAvD_BwE

That's the problem with lots of body armor companies.