If jesus kept ther law of God, completely, and entirely. He was a jew, full on jew, kept the sabbath all of God's holy days. Would he ditch everything he did and toss that all in the trash to keep a pagan festival where people burned their babies alive to another fake god?

Thank you for the clarification. The matter on what the details of certain Pagans did on the Solstice is of little importance. The Church offered an opportunity for Pagans to keep a portion of there cultural inheritance as a deal for conversion, so long as those cultural celebrations did not stand as a rival to God. The sacrificual aspects are new to me. If you could point the cultures that did do that, I would be very grateful. A fair portion of Lutheran doctrine is derived from the regional, in this case German, culture. The same went for Scandinavian converts. On the Semitic part, I do not celebrate Passover. My ancestors are Germans and Celts, I have no cultural or ancestral ties to Israelites outside of faith. So long as a local cultural holiday does not Deify something that is not Good, it shouldn't be an issue, at least in my opinion.

*God* not *Good*. Silly auto correct.

Roman's (didn't burn babies but had other messed up practices), canaanites, hittites, hivites, jebusites, all the natives in the Americas... there are quite a few

@Kaladin I forgot to add something to what I had put down before. It is in regard to what you said about Christmas being about Consumerism and family instead of God and Christ. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Consumerism aspect. The scramble for buying gifts, especially the "perfect one", has polluted the beauty that Christmas ought to be. Many would think that Christmas being about family is not to bad of a compromise for those who are not religious but still wish to celebrate it. The issue with this, is that love for family is not the rightful sovereign of the world. The love I have for my brother must never stand in the way of me doing the right thing. If he killed a man, and told me so, it would be wrong for me to hide him from the authorities.

Read luke 22... count the number of times passover is mentioned

i have a completely anonymous question to this debate and that is whenever Christ healed someone on the Sabbath was he breaking the Sabbath and if so why?

The refraining of conducting labor on the Sabbath is not so much as " Do absolutely nothing and laze about all day". But to give Man a day to dedicate ones mind to God and not toiling in the dirt, being totally preoccupied with furthering their material possessions.

then why would the Pharisee's who did nothing but try to uphold the law condemn him for it when he did?

Man must,at times, toss aside the plow and dedicate time to God spiritually. What good is a man if he can't find his connection with God? It is very difficult for the blind to lead the blind.

unrightfully condemn him*

"Unrightfully". That right there. They are like the Rabbi, and the other individuals, that passed by the man on the street that was later helped by a Samaritan. Men who call themselves"Godly" and "righteous" hate fews things more than being called out as a hypocrite. The solution? Character assassination of those who would call them out.

it is true that in an effort to seek perfection they utterly cast aside a personal relationship with God Himself but that doesn't mean they couldn't interpret the law

No he was breaking the Jews relations not God's.

Regulations

ik but he was still human

in human body*

He was showing them they were breaking God's law by trying to set these fences up around it

so by misinterpreting they law the were breaking it

k thank you for taking the time to answer my question

If a law, or as Derek put it, regulations, inhibits a truely good act, it is morally justified to break it. You follow what God, or in this case Jesus, says. What Jesus said was in his actions. It was right.

They thought that if the didn't walk a certain distance then they were keeping the sabbath for sure. But christ was explaining that's not the point. The point is to learn to have God's mind, there are weightier matters of the law justice mercy and faith.... ox's fall into ditches. People need help, but sometimes you shoot ther ox lol

Np

This has been a very enjoyable exchange but I must bid for the time being. Dinner awaits. Farewell.

The pharisees didn't interpret the law rather add to the law making the lives of Jews terrible. Mark 3: 4 "Then Jesus asked them, 'Which is lawful on the sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or kill?' But they remained silent.

What it do though?

Howdy partners

Greetings

The Pharisees also were only asking Christ those kind of questions in an attempt to have Him say something they could accuse Him for

Is that much of a surprise? Jack***es like that know s*** they say will get a reaction, so they say the most insufferably obnoxious bs imaginable.

Why on Earth did it change jackass and shit to that?

You put asterisks so it bolded/italicized

Oh. Well I feel like an idiot now.

lol I make the same mistake all the time

Don’t worry about it. We all knew what you meant

I was erring on the side of caution and censored my profanity. Evidently the discord gods we're displeased.

Lol

You can still use dashes and random symbols 😉

Much abliged for the advice, my good sir.

Anyone have any prayer requests