Workers are the ones who materialize stuff, the CEO just had an idea. That idea could have not been done. Workers are ultimately the ones who are making the final thing. Therefore, they should own the means of production.

Somhow a pice of paper that say " I own stuff" can be a pass to not working for decades

And nowadays, money is worshipped, clothes are worshipped, celebrities are worshipped, but not God. Militant atheism was the worst thing socialism did, in my opinion.

Why are y’all talking about economics in the religion channel 🤔

Because I was explaining about the compatibility of anarchism and Christianity and anarcho-chrestinism and the subject just changed suddenly

again, attempting socilism and communism in this day and age is a bad idea, but certain tools that have been proven to be work in other captilist societies are worth considering implimenting.

Yeah, maybe we don’t have the material conditions to have the socialist revolution.

And if we don’t, I’ll personally wait until it is the perfect time.

Socialism is baby communism and neither have worked for any society lol

You can have some socialist ideals implemented but nothing is totally socialist bc it doesn’t work

and the opium of the masses, paints religeon as a euphoric but ultimly damaging drug, but I would say religion is more like a garden, yielding its fruits to the no so well off and making everyone happier

@Draconem_Dominus I agree with you that this talk about socialism, communism vs. capitalism is not all that appropriate for this channel.

That was the whole point, Marx seemingly hated religion, and so did the Soviet Union until a point

Cuba😂 literally making russian from a medival country to the first country to put people into space😂 easter Europe have the higest amount of people that own their own houses 😂 communism was bad but it has its achievements

I think they should get back to religion personally but

Yes because religion gives you something other than the government to believe in

And what about the millions of deaths it took to get there lol

People living in communist Russia were shit poor and had terrible lives

@Draconem_DominusKarl Marx states that a perfect captilist society is need as a preable for communism, so it won't work for centuries, also socilism worked once, but on a very small scale.

Well there are alternatives to things to belive in outside of religion but if religion will die I prefer for it to die naturally , like that is supposed of what will happen when if socialism was in place (IDK how but people seem to belive that) , anti religious action is really duump

Anyways why are we talking about this in religion

Again

Prob take it somewhere else

I mentioned anarcho-chrestinism

also I think that communist russia at least did something right

And explained their ideology

And now we’re literally just talking about communism and socialism, not religion

Well I can go back at anatcho-chrestinism

Oh man, communist Russia, how'd they do anything right?? That's a crazy statement.

@ELIS314 personally i belive the best goverment is one that offers religeous freedom

Feel free as long as it includes religion as the main topic

@DannyNC1 they fought Nazi's litterally the only thing they did right

Communist Russia did not have religious freedom

and vice versa

Basically, I don’t think socialism and religion inherently cancel out each other, Christian socialism is an ideology.

I dont belive there should be a guvermanent and religion should be a personal thing like sexual preference were you do what you do and it's your business

Christian socialism is not biblical

@ELIS314 amen

The thing is, if the workers like religion, they should not have their right stolen away

That is true , neither did Romania (were I live in) but people are still very religious to this day, they could kill belife

I’m from Romania too 😳