Graduation rates for minorities go down when you have affirmative action.

alright

They are also not likely to try again, so then they're left without an education.

And then go into crime, drugs, etc.

I don't know about that one.

can we agree that education needs far more funding

Yes and no.

Education needs reform.

Yeah, no more "diversity training"

yes, but why not more money

lets make it more alike Finlands, without all the BLM crap

@little hollow or just when nessasary

Because the government is wasteful.

yeah we spend 750 bil on military! give some to the schools

hey @DarkSkyKEC what do you think it means to be american

Say that when China attacks.... okay....

Education shouldn't even be ran by the federal government.

Nah, I'd rather see investment from corporations into education.

Stop diverting from the original topic.

@little hollow I personallt think having 4X chinas spending is enough

and that would free up 150 billion

@DarkSkyKEC im trying to find agreements to further my original argument

Just let the free market invest in it 😂

@LuckyPuffy what does it mean to be an American to you, I need to know for this debate

oh, and worsen the socio-econimic divide by allowing the rich to go into sole private schools

To be a citizen of the United States. Oh, and to live the American Dream and to love the country.

We're talking about so-called systemic racism.

Not class divisions.

Man, the libtards are just envious of the rich being able to go to private schools just because they're rich and they can.

How dare you enjoy the money you made!

Like even if I was dying on the side of the road I still wouldn't care there was some rich guy out there on a yacht

@DarkSkyKEC I'm getting back to that@LuckyPuffy because I think what it means to be American is to strive for the ideals set out in the constitution and declaration of independence, among those is equality, so, yes, I would like to strive for a "And "an equal system" is a nice dream," and yes there will always be but a wealthy people "but there will always be richer people in your idea😇 " But a better regulated capitalist system would lead to a higher standard of living and a healthier economy in the US.

We're still talking about systemic racism.

@DarkSkyKEC almost back, hang on please @little hollow you know, the rich can be rich, and that is fine, but there is a point where they should give back, nobody need over 10 billion dollars. @LuckyPuffy and I do go to a private school, and yes I know I am a hypocrite but I will always try to make the world a better place.

Nah man. They should only give back if they so choose.

"All men are created equal" is true, but notice this. All men may be created equal, but they're not. Think of it as a running competition. We're all at the start line, all of us on an equal foot and with theoretical equal chances of winning. The race begins... and the best one wins. Again, equality of opportunity, not of outcome. And haha, all liberals are like that 😂 anyways, back to systemic racism.

The rich do give back in the form of providing jobs in order to make those dollars in the first place, in the form of paying taxes, in the form of charity, in the form of reinvestment.. etc.

If you want the rich to not exploit tax loopholes, that's different from the general idea we're talking about here.

Yep. People just see their salary and then see their own and say it's not fair, inadvertedly forgetting that they got that job from another rich person

Bill Gates was rich because he sold a popular product which has proven to be extremely successful.

Same with Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Tim Cook (ok, he's a small exception, he somewhat inherited it from Steve Jobs, but Tim took it even further)