And i agree with you to an extent

but with a distinction as well

I think promoting the person, and personal growth is much more valuable than the individual, and individual growth

Call it what you like.. same thing to me

It's not

Person isn't an individual?

to be a person means to be someone with connections, social ties, that we aren't just ourselves but people with responsibilities to others

an individual is a human being in isolation, not that they dont have family or friends or community, but it is a disordered emphasis

bringing us back to christian american values

the country is built on families and communities, communities being built of families

the societal fabric is made up of families and the family structure

Is there some good discussion going on here?

the lefts attempt to deemphasize family and make public education take care of raising the kids is a clear example of the state trying to userp the role of the family in the culture and society

or the fact that blm Literally has in its manifesto that it desires to disrupt the traditional family system

That's just letting legalese get in your head.. English language has been butchered every which way for divisive argument

I think that the family unit is important but you have a very traditional view of it don’t you @Drift

The sentences are too long 😢

I think i see where ur going with that comment

Not saying you are wrong but was just something I noticed

we probably would best be served going to dm to discuss that further

it's a very deep rabbit hole

Clear, simple English. . Individual vs person is an immaterial distinction best left to lawyers

No, I am not here to disagree but we most likely have a disagreement. Especially with LGBT marriage.

Probably not the best to debate on here knowing that convo is going to end poorly

im advocating for personalism over utilitarianism as outlied by kerol wojtyla in his work "love and responsibility" @user_zero
thats the distinction im making

But I think it is good to see people still have traditional views

i still think we should dm

it's a worthwhile conversation

and as long as im wasting hours on the phone

thats better than memes by far

Well, how are we going to handle this? And how long would this take, I don’t really have the time for it

could just be over a few days

the great thing about texting as opposed to irl talking is u can just stop and come back

I think we could do it on here whenever we are both on as long as we are both civil which I can do.

I just prefer dm

And others would be able to see.

I myself would kind of like to see this discussion

It's not that im planning on attacking you 😂

I know

Just others may want to see this discussion

just a multi day discussion occupying the gc would rough

ill happily bring the highlights back as a compromise