like imo individual freedom > any other bs reason you can think of

and that used to be pretty well shared

agreed

Oh definitely, along w some good core values like not murdering each other over disagreements and consent being a must lol

now the dirty trick is like "Oh yeah not if you are a bigot or racist etc" then you dont' have rights

There we go perfect lol

and it *sounds* like, logical right like nazis = bad fine. but then it's like who gets to define who the bad guys are?

and what if the guy defining bad guys -- becomes a bad guy?

Yup exactly

Then you're back in 1930s

and people are bad because you're told they're bad

So we put freedom above all, and then not murdering and other positive values up there too

Right well yeah you're not free to murder others lol

Exactly lol

Because that would go against their freedom

Their freedom to live

I think the values that the 10 commandments state are pretty good today. don't cheat, be nice, no murder etc.

Oh for sure

Yeah I agree, they’re a pretty good start for sure

obv other religions had similar writing but the commandments are most well known

Yup

I mean I fully believe like without "religion" modern faith if you will -- the morality of individual worth would not exist

I agree completely, and I read an article from the APA that theorizes (with studies as evidence) that the human brain is hardwired to look for a higher power

absolutely. I've heard of that study too

Even as children we put things we can’t explain as things that “god” did lol

Yeah for sure also an interesting concept like, I feel there are again all little nuances but much of religion "reveals" certain natural truths

we're so hardwired to explain things, but explaining things like the creation of everything is impossible for the human psyche to comprehend without omnipotent interference

Yup

Exactly

I agree w both of you lol

like, how can you deny a general equal worth of people? Or that honesty is superior regardless

Yes

After that I mean you can get silly and be like "long hair is immoral" (i dunno you name it) but i'm all about the big stuff

So we base it off of freedom above all, then the high value of life in general but especially human life, as well as valuing honesty, justice, kindness, etc

Damn this would make a good utopia book lol

Yeah I mean forgiveness is also key

My writer brain is tingling

Oh true

That is something I feel the left seriously lacks

For sure

Maybe people in general