Message from @Draconem_Dominus

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2020-11-16 19:37:57 UTC  

like imo individual freedom > any other bs reason you can think of

2020-11-16 19:38:07 UTC  

and that used to be pretty well shared

2020-11-16 19:38:27 UTC  

agreed

2020-11-16 19:38:34 UTC  

Oh definitely, along w some good core values like not murdering each other over disagreements and consent being a must lol

2020-11-16 19:38:41 UTC  

now the dirty trick is like "Oh yeah not if you are a bigot or racist etc" then you dont' have rights

2020-11-16 19:38:52 UTC  

There we go perfect lol

2020-11-16 19:39:16 UTC  

and it *sounds* like, logical right like nazis = bad fine. but then it's like who gets to define who the bad guys are?

2020-11-16 19:39:23 UTC  

and what if the guy defining bad guys -- becomes a bad guy?

2020-11-16 19:39:26 UTC  

Yup exactly

2020-11-16 19:39:47 UTC  

Then you're back in 1930s

2020-11-16 19:39:55 UTC  

and people are bad because you're told they're bad

2020-11-16 19:40:08 UTC  

So we put freedom above all, and then not murdering and other positive values up there too

2020-11-16 19:40:43 UTC  

Right well yeah you're not free to murder others lol

2020-11-16 19:40:50 UTC  

Exactly lol

2020-11-16 19:40:52 UTC  

Because that would go against their freedom

2020-11-16 19:41:03 UTC  

Their freedom to live

2020-11-16 19:41:18 UTC  

I think the values that the 10 commandments state are pretty good today. don't cheat, be nice, no murder etc.

2020-11-16 19:41:25 UTC  

Oh for sure

2020-11-16 19:41:34 UTC  

Yeah I agree, they’re a pretty good start for sure

2020-11-16 19:41:47 UTC  

obv other religions had similar writing but the commandments are most well known

2020-11-16 19:41:59 UTC  

Yup

2020-11-16 19:42:33 UTC  

I mean I fully believe like without "religion" modern faith if you will -- the morality of individual worth would not exist

2020-11-16 19:43:10 UTC  

I agree completely, and I read an article from the APA that theorizes (with studies as evidence) that the human brain is hardwired to look for a higher power

2020-11-16 19:43:26 UTC  

absolutely. I've heard of that study too

2020-11-16 19:43:40 UTC  

Even as children we put things we can’t explain as things that “god” did lol

2020-11-16 19:44:19 UTC  

Yeah for sure also an interesting concept like, I feel there are again all little nuances but much of religion "reveals" certain natural truths

2020-11-16 19:44:27 UTC  

we're so hardwired to explain things, but explaining things like the creation of everything is impossible for the human psyche to comprehend without omnipotent interference

2020-11-16 19:44:27 UTC  

Yup

2020-11-16 19:44:34 UTC  

Exactly

2020-11-16 19:44:42 UTC  

I agree w both of you lol

2020-11-16 19:44:43 UTC  

like, how can you deny a general equal worth of people? Or that honesty is superior regardless

2020-11-16 19:44:57 UTC  

Yes

2020-11-16 19:45:32 UTC  

After that I mean you can get silly and be like "long hair is immoral" (i dunno you name it) but i'm all about the big stuff

2020-11-16 19:46:12 UTC  

So we base it off of freedom above all, then the high value of life in general but especially human life, as well as valuing honesty, justice, kindness, etc

2020-11-16 19:46:31 UTC  

Damn this would make a good utopia book lol

2020-11-16 19:46:37 UTC  

Yeah I mean forgiveness is also key

2020-11-16 19:46:38 UTC  

My writer brain is tingling

2020-11-16 19:46:41 UTC  

Oh true

2020-11-16 19:46:47 UTC  

That is something I feel the left seriously lacks

2020-11-16 19:46:52 UTC  

For sure

2020-11-16 19:47:40 UTC  

Maybe people in general