Message from @JJ04

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2020-07-01 14:59:00 UTC  

I am more of a libertarian minded conservative so that is just my take

2020-07-01 14:59:09 UTC  

Obamacare was a massive power grab. 1000 pages of bureacrat-ese. It made all student loans belong to the government. Scary stuff.

2020-07-01 14:59:30 UTC  

Obamacare was one extremely ineffective and it ended up costing more to everyday people who didn't want it. Health insurance rates skyrocketed, because everybody was required to have health insurance or be taxed out their ass at the end of the year/beginning of the next year.

2020-07-01 14:59:47 UTC  

How is it with healthcare in America now?

2020-07-01 14:59:57 UTC  

my insurance cost $$87/mo for a family of 4 befor meds fors about $10 and dr visit were about $20, after obamam care it was $750/mo $30-150 for meds dr visit are $60 after my new $6000 deductible.

2020-07-01 15:00:00 UTC  

Still awful, because they haven't fixed anything.

2020-07-01 15:00:00 UTC  

It basically penalized people for not being insured

2020-07-01 15:00:21 UTC  

You guys think Trump will do something about healthcare?

2020-07-01 15:00:29 UTC  

And just using reason here, government healthcare will always be inferior to the private sector no matter what because the state itself has no competition and therefore no incentive to produce quality

2020-07-01 15:00:30 UTC  

If it's even in his hands

2020-07-01 15:00:47 UTC  

I think they need to remove a lot of restrictions on healthcare and let companies reach across state borders. More competition means cheaper insurance.

2020-07-01 15:01:07 UTC  

More competition and privatization will do the trick

2020-07-01 15:01:13 UTC  

No. They wanted something more like Canada's system. Terrible terrible

2020-07-01 15:02:18 UTC  

Isnt free healthcare just very expensive

2020-07-01 15:02:40 UTC  

The government should just stop sticking their nose into the healthcare industry and let the free market just work

2020-07-01 15:03:25 UTC  

My mom got breast cancer just after obama care, her insurance was cancelled, no one would insure her we paid out of pocket for 7 years till she was cured. I spent at least $400,000 out of pocket

2020-07-01 15:04:04 UTC  

There was also a violation of our first amendment, making religious groups pay for abortions and contraceptive (plan b) that they don't approve of

2020-07-01 15:04:31 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/707691030748594294/727902466762604584/e0c674b95752e889940c53361afa8672--basketball-lol.jpg

2020-07-01 15:04:40 UTC  

she still can not get insurance not even obama care

2020-07-01 15:04:57 UTC  

I found dr that will work for cash.

2020-07-01 15:05:09 UTC  

How's your mom now?

2020-07-01 15:05:17 UTC  

she is great

2020-07-01 15:05:20 UTC  

Ah nice

2020-07-01 15:05:38 UTC  

Honesty if you apply libertarian thinking to the pro-life argument you can argue that murdering an unborn child is a violation of the NAP, and is therefore immoral. So yeah, pro-life libertarianism can be argued for.

2020-07-01 15:05:51 UTC  

but me and my brothers sold our homes, cars every thing.

2020-07-01 15:06:22 UTC  

building a new home now, but it was hard AF

2020-07-01 15:06:43 UTC  

Kind of sad that a lot of libertarians ignore this argument tho and some even support abortions

2020-07-01 15:06:50 UTC  

the only time I agree with abortion is when the girl is raped and if she's underage

2020-07-01 15:07:01 UTC  

^^ generally agree

2020-07-01 15:07:30 UTC  

@JJ04 that represents <1% of abietions

2020-07-01 15:07:33 UTC  

Hm

2020-07-01 15:07:37 UTC  

I was Dem before obama care

2020-07-01 15:07:42 UTC  

Yeah that is very rare to even happen

2020-07-01 15:07:52 UTC  

Well sure, but that's still the only time I think it's fine

2020-07-01 15:08:06 UTC  

Even if it's below 1%

2020-07-01 15:08:11 UTC  

Abortions* <---------can't type

2020-07-01 15:08:33 UTC  

Most abortions are performed when the mother knows damn well she's killing an unborn child that she voluntarily allowed to form

2020-07-01 15:08:33 UTC  

so yeah Obama did give me change

2020-07-01 15:08:40 UTC  

@JJ04 I agree

2020-07-01 15:08:58 UTC  

But there are very very rare cases where it could be justified

2020-07-01 15:09:05 UTC  

Agree with jim