that's the end?

i guess you skip the bombing and war and shif.

i mean the war in iraq was a bit stupid

driven by neo-cons

Wars are not great. By no means do I think war is a great thing, however, it shows that when a country decides to attack the United States, we don't tuck our tails, we will retaliate.

And guess what, wars happen and we are now trying to leave, while still remembering what happened to cause it

nah i just pointed out how smug you were in the case of germans but tends to skip what happened after 9/11

True

guess selective ideals and shit.

Not really

Fine, call me smug, you've failed to acknowledge the actual argument.

Hitler saw no other way to fix Germany, other then war and expansion since the treaty of Versailles screwed them over. So they were justified in retaliating, its what happened after when,the expansion became monumental that the other countries had to try to stop, honestly America wasn't going to physically join until they were bombed.

remembering history is pointless?

That's what you're saying.

History is very important to remember

Those who do not, will never see the signs of the history repeating

oh SELECTIVE history is important.

got it.

:)

No, all history is important.

but when asked you beat around the bush before saying "oh yeah we killed hundred of thousand innocent people after 9/11"

Well, yes history is written by the victor, but everyone should strive to see the whole truth of what reslly happened, truly remembering history

Dude, I don't think anyone here thinks the middle eastern wars were right, but they happened and we will have to remember why we started them, and then get out now

Since we are trying to get out

Samfrat I'm woth you on that, these people are so fed up with going against what they say its abhorrent

Double standards, hopefully enough people are seeing what happening and who is causing it, I'll give you a hint, it ain't Trump

hope trump successfully creates term limits in his second term 👍
and if not, get another republican in office in 2024, then 2028, etc, until it happens

only way that'll change

That's defeatist, rhe GOP never campaigns in those areas because they feel like they can't win, so yeah, it kinda is a losing battle when even the right party, beleives they have already lost, its demoralizing

Term limits would definetly help

Well yes that has its benefit, if term limits are in place then its more likely that things actually get done and people can vote those people out, our put in new people that correlate with what has happened

Then there were also the bad emperors, that almost brought Rome down in flames

At this point, I think term limits can work, since for the presidency it has worked for 200 years

That's a what if, I don't know how to go about with it

Quite possibly yes

Probably not

Since we would never have been attacked by terrorists we would not see it as a threat, at least the public

It did

How so

Well yes, but at that point America was practicing isolationism and did not want to intervene in European wars

Your arguing a what if, which is essentially a philisophical argument that probably wont go anywhere