Message from @DJ Sullivan J.D

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2020-11-08 21:29:12 UTC  

Oh well yeah that's part of American history

2020-11-08 21:29:33 UTC  

Even Robert E Lee was against slavery

2020-11-08 21:30:04 UTC  

I’m not arguing that all confederates are evil, but the group as a whole fought for negative goals

2020-11-08 21:30:04 UTC  

> Oh well yeah that's part of American history
@Tex no it’s not... that’s a part of the confederacy’s history which doesn’t even exist anymore. Those states left the union. America fought against that

2020-11-08 21:30:11 UTC  

The vast majority of the rebel army didnt even have any connections to slavery

2020-11-08 21:30:34 UTC  

People forget that slavery was a strategic tool used by the north to damage the already minimal production capabilities the south had

2020-11-08 21:30:41 UTC  

There were literally rebel marching songs shit talking slave owners for being fat and lazy<:KEK:726877368601411624>

2020-11-08 21:30:43 UTC  

yeah the states that seceded and then rejoined the US just happened to be the same as those currently and previously involved in the war

2020-11-08 21:30:45 UTC  

I mean I can understand the view point of there being a nobility to the "soldier" of time period, doing one's "duty" sure. But I think there's conflation of the entire movement being noble or whatever

2020-11-08 21:30:59 UTC  

huge leap of logic for you, i know

2020-11-08 21:31:14 UTC  

> There were literally rebel marching songs shit talking slave owners for being fat and lazy<:KEK:726877368601411624>
@Mcgoober Great I guess those folks never made it to join the north cus they clearly were on the wrong side as history tells us

2020-11-08 21:31:16 UTC  

Slavery was NOT why the civil war started

2020-11-08 21:31:37 UTC  

> People forget that slavery was a strategic tool used by the north to damage the already minimal production capabilities the south had
@Tex except that the only reason that the slaves could be used like that was because the south refused to modernize in technology

2020-11-08 21:31:42 UTC  

It's ok tho i still ly radioman even if ur a smelly yank <3

2020-11-08 21:32:08 UTC  

> Slavery was NOT why the civil war started
@Tex bruh I get you must like the south but acknowledging these facts doesn’t mean the south is a bad place

2020-11-08 21:32:53 UTC  

> @Tex bruh I get you must like the south but acknowledging these facts doesn’t mean the south is a bad place
@Lambton I live in the north, have my whole life so I'm not some southern pride kinda person

2020-11-08 21:32:59 UTC  

> @Tex bruh I get you must like the south but acknowledging these facts doesn’t mean the south is a bad place
@Lambton I couldn’t agree more, the modern south is a wonderful place, I personally LOVE Louisiana, the south has come a long way!

2020-11-08 21:33:00 UTC  

Ok so hear me out

2020-11-08 21:33:24 UTC  

Why would lincoln wait 3 years into a war he thought would end in weeks to actually free the slaves

2020-11-08 21:33:51 UTC  

Here’s the deal (Biden phrase) the democrats were ruling the south my bois.... now we rule it. Times have changed

2020-11-08 21:33:58 UTC  

> Why would lincoln wait 3 years into a war he thought would end in weeks to actually free the slaves
@Mcgoober war wasn’t about slavery it was to preserve the Union

2020-11-08 21:34:05 UTC  

Ik

2020-11-08 21:34:19 UTC  

Because he never wanted to truly divide the Nation and definitively make the war about slavery. So doing that would've countered his ultimate goal in his mind.

2020-11-08 21:34:25 UTC  

That's why there were desertions and riots after the proclamation<:KEK:726877368601411624>

2020-11-08 21:34:37 UTC  

Lincoln stated that if he could’ve ended the war without freeing the slaves he would’ve

2020-11-08 21:34:53 UTC  

He was about Restoration more than anything else in that regard.

2020-11-08 21:34:57 UTC  

"Oh shit i signed up to reunite the country not free those guys I'm outtie"

2020-11-08 21:35:06 UTC  

> Why would lincoln wait 3 years into a war he thought would end in weeks to actually free the slaves
@Mcgoober it was a very political thing... he couldn’t go all out like that or nothing would happen. He was on the verge of a re-election, he woulda lost it

2020-11-08 21:35:38 UTC  

Almost like it was an unpopular idea at the time

2020-11-08 21:35:44 UTC  

It was

2020-11-08 21:35:52 UTC  

Nothing is that simple.

2020-11-08 21:36:00 UTC  

In the north and south alike

2020-11-08 21:36:07 UTC  

Of course it was

2020-11-08 21:36:20 UTC  

Ok so now I'm confusrd what ur getting at

2020-11-08 21:36:24 UTC  

But many more in the north were against it and in turn fought against it

2020-11-08 21:36:37 UTC  

Lincoln was hoping the slaves in the Confederacy would start an uprising.

2020-11-08 21:36:46 UTC  

Exactly

2020-11-08 21:36:51 UTC  

Yeah ik

2020-11-08 21:37:09 UTC  

He didn't free them because he wanted too lmao it was literally just to try and stir shit up

2020-11-08 21:37:12 UTC  

He didn't free the slaves in KY, MO, or DE, which didn't secede.

2020-11-08 21:37:27 UTC  

> Nothing is that simple.
@SheWhoMustNotBeNamed yeah well I ain’t about to write an essay so pardon my paraphrasing