Message from @HMAB

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2021-01-02 17:10:30 UTC  

an Art History student doesnt possess every piece of art they study? They study it, them studying it is what keeps it alive after its destroyed

2021-01-02 17:10:48 UTC  

The books with the photos are what keeps it alive

2021-01-02 17:11:04 UTC  

The Weimar Republic is destroyed yet I still studied that at college...

2021-01-02 17:11:05 UTC  

But only if they arent destroyed too

2021-01-02 17:11:26 UTC  

What are they going to do? Replicate it all? Either the art exists somewhere and survives it in some way, or it doesn’t exist and disappears after a generation.

2021-01-02 17:11:29 UTC  

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2021-01-02 17:11:35 UTC  

That is a massive difference

2021-01-02 17:11:41 UTC  

In what way?

2021-01-02 17:11:45 UTC  

Both are history

2021-01-02 17:11:52 UTC  

Because lemme tell you how I havent the talent to recreate the garden of earthly delights tryptich

2021-01-02 17:12:06 UTC  

You guys win the nerdiest internet argument I've seen all month award good work

2021-01-02 17:12:08 UTC  

One is a period government the other is a piece of culture

2021-01-02 17:12:19 UTC  

Why is it more valuable to study one over the other

2021-01-02 17:12:21 UTC  

You want to compare a painting or a book to a massive nation that existed for a decade, governing a ton of people, having an impact on the economy and governments of other nations

2021-01-02 17:13:02 UTC  

We've probably already lost 99% of all the art ever created

2021-01-02 17:13:09 UTC  

Knowing about the downfall of the Weimar republic shows you what to avoid, knowing about the Mona Lisa is a fun bit of reading, but not particularly useful.

2021-01-02 17:13:36 UTC  

The.. useful art is psychological in nature

2021-01-02 17:13:40 UTC  

Going back full circle

2021-01-02 17:13:48 UTC  

The black death. Dancing skeletons

2021-01-02 17:14:07 UTC  

It tells you more about the era and the people than the remaining writings

2021-01-02 17:14:10 UTC  

Knowing the art, literature and culture of the world allows us to understand humanity and the world through history

2021-01-02 17:14:39 UTC  

The destruction of any statue, be it left or right, be it hateful or heroic, is catastrophic. They should be kept in a museum, and shown as part of history.

2021-01-02 17:14:46 UTC  

And those things help us to know how people felt during the plague, and other things, but they don’t help us to know things like what decisions were being made, who exactly was most affected, where it came from.

2021-01-02 17:14:50 UTC  

Agreed

2021-01-02 17:15:22 UTC  

Unless you know where the art originated.

2021-01-02 17:15:26 UTC  

But knowing the empires, influential people, and important points in history is more practical

2021-01-02 17:15:46 UTC  

<a:1717_Crab_Rave:726883571033440366> history forgotten is bound to be relived

2021-01-02 17:16:06 UTC  

If you only want to know a single piece of history sure @VulpesVulpes

2021-01-02 17:16:24 UTC  

Then again, I could have gotten a dual degree in history with 2 more classes but i was so done with liberal teachers by then 😂

2021-01-02 17:16:36 UTC  

But if you want a contextual understand of a period and people definitely look at the art and culture of the time

2021-01-02 17:17:41 UTC  

History should be presented objectively and from the context of that era, not ideologically.

2021-01-02 17:18:17 UTC  

Agreed. And if it has to be with an ideological bent, that bent should be explained

2021-01-02 17:18:20 UTC  

There is no such thing as objective history

2021-01-02 17:18:28 UTC  

Like, it was written by this dude, who won

2021-01-02 17:18:34 UTC  

So take it with a grain of salt

2021-01-02 17:18:41 UTC  

Well, history is written by winners, so yeah.

2021-01-02 17:19:31 UTC  

I’d argue that the belief in objective history is worse than not having history at all

2021-01-02 17:19:53 UTC  

It devalues the other side and forgets that what you’re being told may not be true

2021-01-02 17:20:01 UTC  

Yeah, I think that history should have some little bias, but not too much. And both sides should be shown.

2021-01-02 17:20:05 UTC  

The most important thing i was taught was to try to view history through the lense of society at the time

2021-01-02 17:20:33 UTC  

Many if the account of german tanks during ww2 were writen by nazis, the german tanks like panzer tend to do worse that T 34 , the germans won ironically because of their bigger number of tanks, this is an example were the losing side did write it but the point about taking history with a grain of salt remains