Message from @Atari

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2020-09-30 20:54:06 UTC  

why dont you tell us, Atari.. since this is feeling like a seminar

2020-09-30 20:54:07 UTC  

In socialism the government owns means of production

2020-09-30 20:54:11 UTC  

lol no

2020-09-30 20:54:15 UTC  

that's not what karl marx presented

2020-09-30 20:54:16 UTC  

Look ot up

2020-09-30 20:54:20 UTC  

Look it up

2020-09-30 20:54:27 UTC  

where are you getting that info from

2020-09-30 20:54:33 UTC  

Whatre u guys talking abt

2020-09-30 20:54:49 UTC  

You know, the thing

2020-09-30 20:54:53 UTC  

Oh

2020-09-30 20:54:55 UTC  

Ok

2020-09-30 20:54:57 UTC  

lol

2020-09-30 20:54:59 UTC  

Look it up on Google

2020-09-30 20:55:05 UTC  

Hmmmm

2020-09-30 20:55:08 UTC  

the definition of socialism has been perverted

2020-09-30 20:55:13 UTC  

im going by the definition by karl marx

2020-09-30 20:55:18 UTC  

the dude who literally created the term socialism

2020-09-30 20:55:30 UTC  

Damn why are ppl perverting everything

2020-09-30 20:55:30 UTC  

Well that's today's term of socialism

2020-09-30 20:55:40 UTC  

yeah today's term of socialism doesn't work

2020-09-30 20:56:06 UTC  

i'll answer my own question about why venezuela, cuba and late soviet union failed i guess

2020-09-30 20:56:10 UTC  

they failed because they allowed private property

2020-09-30 20:56:21 UTC  

In order to have equal opportunity you have to have government control

2020-09-30 20:56:25 UTC  

after stalin went out of power, the next leaders allowed private property

2020-09-30 20:56:41 UTC  

that's when the fall of the soviet union happened

2020-09-30 20:56:58 UTC  

the same with venezuela and cuba, they're shit because they allowed private property, that's not socialism by karl marx's definition

2020-09-30 20:57:09 UTC  

For example free healthcare is socialist as the government controls it

2020-09-30 20:57:20 UTC  

that is exactly opposite of the truth, they failed because they confiscated private property from farmers.. leading to mass famines

2020-09-30 20:57:34 UTC  

I guess you can say history is a... pervert 😉

2020-09-30 20:57:41 UTC  

no, the famines happened because the (richer) peasants who owned the land, hoarded the produce

2020-09-30 20:58:02 UTC  

nope, in the years following the confiscation of land there were mass famines

2020-09-30 20:58:12 UTC  

yeah that collectivization of land caused it

2020-09-30 20:58:23 UTC  

but the land owners contributed to it by hoarding produce

2020-09-30 20:58:35 UTC  

What did y’all think of the debates

2020-09-30 20:58:41 UTC  

stalin's 5 year plan caused a huge amount of industrial growth

2020-09-30 20:58:42 UTC  

could be, but you see the same thing happening in South Africa, and formerly Rhodesia

2020-09-30 20:58:45 UTC  

Antfia a great idea according to Joe Biden

2020-09-30 20:58:50 UTC  

confiscated farmers land led to famines in both areas

2020-09-30 20:59:01 UTC  
2020-09-30 20:59:11 UTC  

yeah socialism is basically an altruist society