Message from @Atari

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2020-09-30 20:52:34 UTC  

and socialism isn't government control

2020-09-30 20:52:37 UTC  

the huge flaw with all of these systems, is that it requires the state to implement and then give away the power

2020-09-30 20:52:39 UTC  

that never happens

2020-09-30 20:52:40 UTC  

Yes in socialism the government has control of economy

2020-09-30 20:52:41 UTC  

it's authoritarian but they don't control the means of production

2020-09-30 20:52:42 UTC  

It was invented to change a Capitalist nation into a Communist nation.

2020-09-30 20:52:49 UTC  

it's owned by the people

2020-09-30 20:52:53 UTC  

you get paid for what you produce

2020-09-30 20:52:55 UTC  

not by the hour

2020-09-30 20:53:30 UTC  

okay so

2020-09-30 20:53:32 UTC  

next question

2020-09-30 20:53:32 UTC  

Pretty sure the government does take control.

2020-09-30 20:53:38 UTC  

> why did venezeula, cuba, late soviet union and other countries fail with socialism

2020-09-30 20:53:40 UTC  

My guy look it up

2020-09-30 20:54:06 UTC  

why dont you tell us, Atari.. since this is feeling like a seminar

2020-09-30 20:54:07 UTC  

In socialism the government owns means of production

2020-09-30 20:54:11 UTC  

lol no

2020-09-30 20:54:15 UTC  

that's not what karl marx presented

2020-09-30 20:54:16 UTC  

Look ot up

2020-09-30 20:54:20 UTC  

Look it up

2020-09-30 20:54:27 UTC  

where are you getting that info from

2020-09-30 20:54:33 UTC  

Whatre u guys talking abt

2020-09-30 20:54:49 UTC  

You know, the thing

2020-09-30 20:54:53 UTC  

Oh

2020-09-30 20:54:55 UTC  

Ok

2020-09-30 20:54:57 UTC  

lol

2020-09-30 20:54:59 UTC  

Look it up on Google

2020-09-30 20:55:05 UTC  

Hmmmm

2020-09-30 20:55:08 UTC  

the definition of socialism has been perverted

2020-09-30 20:55:13 UTC  

im going by the definition by karl marx

2020-09-30 20:55:18 UTC  

the dude who literally created the term socialism

2020-09-30 20:55:30 UTC  

Damn why are ppl perverting everything

2020-09-30 20:55:30 UTC  

Well that's today's term of socialism

2020-09-30 20:55:40 UTC  

yeah today's term of socialism doesn't work

2020-09-30 20:56:06 UTC  

i'll answer my own question about why venezuela, cuba and late soviet union failed i guess

2020-09-30 20:56:10 UTC  

they failed because they allowed private property

2020-09-30 20:56:21 UTC  

In order to have equal opportunity you have to have government control

2020-09-30 20:56:25 UTC  

after stalin went out of power, the next leaders allowed private property

2020-09-30 20:56:41 UTC  

that's when the fall of the soviet union happened

2020-09-30 20:56:58 UTC  

the same with venezuela and cuba, they're shit because they allowed private property, that's not socialism by karl marx's definition

2020-09-30 20:57:09 UTC  

For example free healthcare is socialist as the government controls it