A business makes collective decisions for those it employs. Therefore, it governs. Therefore, it is government.

a business pays all the people who work for them, the government does not

It, orders those that voluntarily chose to work for it.

That is legitimately the only requirement to go to Heaven, well actually it's to trust in Jesus and accept him as your Savior

And welfare is?

not everyones on welfare

Exactly, a voluntary government

Welfare is payment, for what production?

For what work?

It still gives services

Shitty services, lol.

a business doesnt just pay some of its employees, it pays all of them, the government pays some people not all people

In exchange for taxation

And also imprisons people in poverty traps.

Irrelevant

"Irrelevant".
Except you can't choose another service.

You can... move...

Ah yes. The 'just move lol' argument.

move from my favorite country venezuela who benefited so much from socialism, nah im good

im tryna eat rocks and dogs

Also, How the fuck is taxation work? Isn't this basicly. The government taking, and giving back, and taking from you, in a cycle?

Additionally, many governments allow you to opt-out of social programs. Making this programs optional. Public healthcare in general being an example.

Yeah, as a form of resource distribution because we've either democratically decided it, or an authoritarian imposed it. Sometimes both.

I wish to abolish taxation eventually too y'know

"Resource redistribution".

does not spur an economy

Literally can but okay

Yeah because. Simply regorgitating wealth around and creating no more wealth sure helps everyone.

what grows an economy is a market system that creates new products and services that serves the consumers

I mean

socialism worked so well in venezuela didnt it

where the money is worthless and people eat dogs

VENEZUELA WAS CAPITALIST HAHAHHAHAHA

What gets in the way of people. Is always government.
Market is established through voluntary relations between individuals, and should be kept as such.

no they were not

Love the venezuela memes

not at all

Yes they were

Literally had privately owned business

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-06/socialism-is-devastating-venezuela-and-americans-dont-seem-to-notice

Just nationalized the oil industry