2. this is a really good point, but the miscreants will never vote for Trump, if they'll even vote to begin with. Furthermore Trump has staked a lot of attack on the Dems for not speaking out against the riots and seemign to back the riots. If Trump does nothing, his political attack line is kind of moot.

3. The President is first and foremost the chief servant of the People of the USA. It is not arrogant for him to defend America, it's is in fact his duty. It's not authoritarian to put down a mob of anarchists. Order must be restored otherwise people will have to take matters into their own hands and go vigilante which could threaten to further fracture the nation into a million factions

i'dd add to that third point, the threat of vigilantes and factions, jsut look at how the Proud Boys, a group of miscreants and hooligans fileld in the gap

1. They arent a legitimate threat to the >whole< of america. I do agree they should be stopped but the people who should be doing that are the elected state and local officials. Theyre the ones who are really failing their people. Not king trump as some might call him.

2. While there are some who wont change their minds and thats fairly obvious there are some people who dont know what their stance really is. I would say thats a significant portion of voters and people in general. There is also a difference from trump a) saying that its wrong and that leaders should be condemning the riots insisting on law and order and b) him using violence to stop these acts when there are so many people who dont really know who or what they are supporting when they spout lofty idealism. There are people who are coming around to this i truely believe that. Idealism only goes so far.

3. The majority of americans on either side do not want to start a civil war. Militias have always existed as well as people who want to play vigilante and nothing is going to change that. Im disappointed by the focus of people on the presidents power when our state and local governments are so important in our lives. I think he has handled well in regards to it all.. its hard to gauge public support of what would innevitably be an act of violence.. even if its something i also support

these are good points

Im curious on what your thoughts are on redemption.. is that a thing in your world?

1. I agree that the local and state government SHOULD have been the oens to quash the rebellions, but they did not, in fact there's the real potential that they are complicit in it. This just further necessitates Federal government involvement

@pipupapu oh yea there's always redemption, but the darkness hates the light and will never come to it

But inherently in that statement at the end youre saying that people can change but that they never will

2. Yes this is true about the swing voters, but at the same time Trump has made his campaign on law and order. He has to back up his words with action. In 2016 why he was popular is his promises to take action on several key things, and it has gone unnoticed that he failed to act for isntance in locking up the corrupt Democrats even after they were caught redhanded. What was the result of him showing pity to them? They fucking impeached him on a hoax that they made up to cover their own exposure by Wikileaks. Trump's base wants action. Trump has not really fired up his base like they were before because his campaign so far is essentially just a tit-for-tat word battle with the Democrats. He has to do something or at least propose to do something. Action is always louder than words

@pipupapu there's a famous quote; "Plus ca change, plus ce la meme chose" It means "the more that things change, the mroe they stay the same"

3. I agree, civil war is to be avoided. That's more the reason a crackdown is needed. If you give license to the wicked they're going to prolieferate and wax worse, not get better. The threat of a civil war is greater if you allow anarchy to be normalized instead of publicly punished.

Thats one hell of a world view.. it feels like something that came from someone whos vision of their ideals never came to fruition in the real world and painted their world in shades of grey

no i am not for shades of grey

it is indeed not founded oh idealism though, more of a realistic view

I dont think there will come a time when right vs wrong or good vs evil will ever have a conclusive end but thats not a great reason to accept a quote like that

Its a worthless quote with no intent

Just shades of grey

I suppose it does promote absurdism or nihilism

there will come a time when evil is entirely defeated

" absurdism. Nihilism. "

that's what we're realyl looking forward to

that's of course the Apocalypse and the lead up to it

Thats the only thing i can take from that quote you used there

It looks like misery and its truely not me trying to attack you by saying so

oh i didn't take it as an attack at all, actually your style of argument is very good, i am actually fairly impressed

yes it is to a degree misery, that is to say the world is certainly a world of misery

but that's more the point of lookign forward to the end of the world, that God will destroy the miserable world and all teh wicked, and he will save us from the wicked and he will wipe the tears of the good away forever. A paraphrase of the culminating moment of the Apocalypse.

this is why we look forward to the Apocalypse and furthermore seek to hasten its coming

Dont be too impressed lol

Gotta brb ill reply in maybe 30

yea no problem, lol and imrpessed as far as an internet discussion goes. Frankly compared to most that sharpen swords with me, you're very well thought out, don't rely on personal attack, and very capable. It's very refreshing compared to what they usually bring before me of "muh you said mean words, you support Trump, you a jew, you a nazi, you a raciss, etc. etc."

So anyhow

A crazy thing about Goerge Floyd's overdose death being milked by political parasites is both jooze and palestinkians said they also were like black people

lol

Who were victims of "systemic racism"

yea everybody hates white people

Palestinkians claimed to be victims of racism from jooze

And jooze claimed to be victims from everyone

it's ironic because there is no real such thing as a palestinian

they're just arabs

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