The numbers 12,000 and 144,000 are variously interpreted in traditional Christianity. Some, taking the numbers in Revelation to be symbolic,[4] believe it represents all of God's people throughout history in the heavenly Church.[5] One suggestion is that the number comes from 12, a symbol for totality, which is squared and multiplied by one thousand for more emphasis. Others insist the numbers 12,000 and 144,000 are literal numbers and representing either descendants of Jacob (also called Israel in the Bible) or others to whom God has given a superior destiny with a distinct role at the time of the end of the world.[6] One understanding is that the 144,000 are recently converted Jewish evangelists sent out to bring sinners to Jesus Christ during the seven year tribulation period.[7] Preterists believe they are Jewish Christians, sealed for deliverance from the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Dispensationalist Tim LaHaye, in his commentary Revelation: Illustrated and Made Plain (Zondervan, 1975), considers the 144,000 in Revelation 7 to refer to Jews and those in Revelation 14 to refer to Christians

we know that spiritual Israel is the only ones that will be in the kingdom of God

and jacobs trouble wakes up many to Messiah

it seems these will be young hebrew boys either new to Messiah or raised in it

and aye spiritual israel

but it says 12k from EACH tribe

as for the heretics that wrote a book for financial gain on Revelation, may the curse cleave to them

how is someone spiritual judah or reuben?

remember Judah and Reuben's spiritual traits

jacobs blessings and foretellings of the tribes in end days is mostly NOT good things

these are 12k from EACH of the tribes BUT dan

remember the jews of Jesus' time that claimed to be Abraham seed, and the rebuke to them that if they were Abraham's chidlren they would do like him

the firsfruits of the harvest

romans 11

for disbelief they are cut off

indeed

BUT if they believe he CAN graft THEM IN AGAIN

and it is a good reminder to us grafted in contrary to nature, that we can be broken off also

The 144,000—what a mysterious, unique group of people they are! For centuries, people in and out of God's church have wondered and argued about who they are. However, when we look at what the Bible says about them, their identity becomes clear. The Bible explains itself!

The 144,000 have very special qualities; Revelation 7 and 14 mention them as highly favored of God. They:

Are sealed by an angel of God
Are specially selected from the tribes of Israel
Stand on Mount Zion with "a Lamb"
Have the Father's name written on their foreheads
Sing a new song no one else can sing
Are redeemed from the earth
Are called "virgins"
Are not defiled with women (false churches)
Are considered the firstfruits of God's harvest
Are guileless and without fault

lol well defiled by women isn't a metaphor

that's mroe to the fact they are virgins

and yea the song, the great song

The 144,000 are called "virgins" (Revelation 14:4). Some have seriously thought these are people who never had sexual intercourse! II Corinthians 11:2, however, supplies a more satisfying answer. The Corinthians had come out of as sexually active and perverted a culture as any in history, but Paul says that his goal was to present them "as a chaste virgin to Christ." Ephesians 5:24-26 shows the people of the church, defiled by sin, becoming unspotted, unwrinkled, holy and without blemish. Similarly, using Israel as a type, Ezekiel 16:9 shows Christ cleaning up His bride. Cleansed sinners comprise the 144,000, and they are designated "virgin." There is hope for all of us!

no that commentariat heretic is stretching too far

ur making it something is is not

it*

the 144,000 are virgins, never defiled by women, chaste

to put ur self on a pedestal for a insecurity u have

no, i am telling you what it says

then how can paul present the corinthians as a CHASE virgin to christ

you're trying to make a loophole, but the verse is very water tight

CHASTE*

2 Corinthians 11:2
“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.”

@Japheth whats the name of the nazi nasa project again?

lol what?

the nazi scientists

and nasa

Operation paperclip

operation paperclip?