Message from @Japheth
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a lot of them go by koran, but i woudl say you are right
some are differing by muslim sect and then i'd say also their race and nationality
liek the shia of iran have the whole Twelver legend and shit, btu the sunni groups, not really, because they don't give a fuck abotu mahdi or follow that lien of succession of the caliphs
and then for the pakis there is good old Ghazwa E-Hind!
Yeah, Mahdi is a concept outside of the Quran.
which is a fun particular doomsday theory involving hindus, obviously not in koran or even hadith, but moreso inspired b ythe pakistan and india racial/national rivalry
well mahdi is part of like shia islam
The sunni also speak of it
following the line of succession they follow ends at Mahdi whom fell down a well and died in their lien of succession
because he died they have no line and shia illegitimated further in islam, but they make legend he is not dead and will come again to do battle with dajjal and shit
inserting him into the koranic eschatology
then for our time era, it has taken further apocalyptic connotations for shia groups, especially militant ones, i mean hell the leaders of iran are the most famous twelvers
sup
I see, thanks
What does efface that and narrate from me, mean?
destroy it and listen to him instead
Ok, so i should not listen to this verse because allah didn't write it
i mean mohammad didnt
well no, Mohammad is ironically saying not to record anything he says or does except the Koran
which then ironically makes the hadith and canonical islamic biographers in jeopardy, kinda funny
but oh well
That verse is saying that verse should be effaced
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lol
hence the irony
It's a contradiction, it means nothing
Well if it's contradictory it means we don't have to listen to it.
No way to verify hearsay.
right
We can talk about hadith till the cows come home. But it remains speculation and assumption of it actually having merit or being true.
A hadith says don't read hadith
contradiction
should i read the hadith and learn that i should not have read that?
well the hadith is canon but is more secondary to the quran
If the Quran said that then that would be fine, but you have it coming from a hadith that's just a contradiction
and then the biographers are like third tier udner the hadith in terms of canonocity
The Quran does say that, I'll bring it up..