well the hadith is canon but is more secondary to the quran

If the Quran said that then that would be fine, but you have it coming from a hadith that's just a contradiction

and then the biographers are like third tier udner the hadith in terms of canonocity

The Quran does say that, I'll bring it up..

And actually, I can adress that also, Scythe.

the whole system works in a very scribal way if you think about it lol, hence the bulk of islam's heirarchy are the people like imams and muftis, essentially schoalrs and scribes

lol yup the direct source is Koran which according to Koran is We

Japheth, I got a verse for specifically for you for that one.. hold up.

Why does it say woe to every **false** deceiver. (implying there are true decievers)

@.Master Peasant⚓💤 Different translators.

We is the narrator of Koran ostensibly to Moahmmad if the islamic canon can be believed in at all

No, Japheth.

well if We is not the narrator then one has to wonder if Mohammad is

You speak out of assumption. The Quran itself explains who We is.

lol right, so does the hdaith and biographers

We is the angels

We is the narrator if I'm correct.

or one should say, a powerful supernatural being that might be pretending to be an angel of light

Japheth, I'll give you the verse. Hold on.

We is the narrator.

yea We is always the narrator of Koran, We tells you everything that Allah, Mohammad, Isa, Musa, Yunis, Ismail, etc. do

@Robert So this verse 6, just affirms that the Quran is the word from Allah. The hadiths which write down Mohammad's revelations can be from Allah too right?

Okay-- now who is we-- let's find out.

Koran means literally Recitation, and Mohammad could not read nor write, so he recited what he heard

Right.

how Mohammad received his messages and the Recitation, the Koran, is told in hadith and biographers starting from experiencei tn eh cave of hira with a being claiming to be an angel to throughout his life

The Koran disavows hadiths.

The Koranic verse I just shared explicitly translated to hadiths in Arabic.

Aesha is actualyl the supposed one whom revealed much of Hadith and Koran, being Mohammad's favorite wife, and the wives of Mohammad were the primary sources for the Caliph Uthman to write down Koran

Aesha describes Mohammad speakign wit hthe angels though claims she never saw them, but she do claim she felt the presence of one

Japheth, will you accept that I did not want your country and land to be given to black people?

lol well yea then there'd be a lot less room for the arabs

that makes sense to me

Well, yeah what..

You claimed I said that.

You understand this to be false?

more of a joke lol, the jew, the muslim, and the foreigner (candian) trying to tell the white american to give some states to the blacks

Okay-- and did you understand me ever saying such a thing?

I understand it's a joke, but I want to know if you're able to concede on light matters.