lol

hence the irony

It's a contradiction, it means nothing

Well if it's contradictory it means we don't have to listen to it.

No way to verify hearsay.

right

We can talk about hadith till the cows come home. But it remains speculation and assumption of it actually having merit or being true.

A hadith says don't read hadith

contradiction

should i read the hadith and learn that i should not have read that?

well the hadith is canon but is more secondary to the quran

If the Quran said that then that would be fine, but you have it coming from a hadith that's just a contradiction

and then the biographers are like third tier udner the hadith in terms of canonocity

The Quran does say that, I'll bring it up..

And actually, I can adress that also, Scythe.

the whole system works in a very scribal way if you think about it lol, hence the bulk of islam's heirarchy are the people like imams and muftis, essentially schoalrs and scribes

lol yup the direct source is Koran which according to Koran is We

Japheth, I got a verse for specifically for you for that one.. hold up.

Why does it say woe to every **false** deceiver. (implying there are true decievers)

@.Master Peasant⚓💤 Different translators.

We is the narrator of Koran ostensibly to Moahmmad if the islamic canon can be believed in at all

No, Japheth.

well if We is not the narrator then one has to wonder if Mohammad is

You speak out of assumption. The Quran itself explains who We is.

lol right, so does the hdaith and biographers

We is the angels

We is the narrator if I'm correct.

or one should say, a powerful supernatural being that might be pretending to be an angel of light

Japheth, I'll give you the verse. Hold on.

We is the narrator.

yea We is always the narrator of Koran, We tells you everything that Allah, Mohammad, Isa, Musa, Yunis, Ismail, etc. do

@Robert So this verse 6, just affirms that the Quran is the word from Allah. The hadiths which write down Mohammad's revelations can be from Allah too right?

Okay-- now who is we-- let's find out.

Koran means literally Recitation, and Mohammad could not read nor write, so he recited what he heard

Right.

how Mohammad received his messages and the Recitation, the Koran, is told in hadith and biographers starting from experiencei tn eh cave of hira with a being claiming to be an angel to throughout his life

The Koran disavows hadiths.

The Koranic verse I just shared explicitly translated to hadiths in Arabic.