> if blue win, can I get political refuge in US?
@TomWiliam += One Past Last Jedi ?

> If he gets convicted it’s entirely on his defense team
@Gypsy Yea Barnes constantly rails on them

To purchase a firearm or maintain within ones possession?

@LrnAshly the latter

Ouch

I've read the law and the exception for hunting

I dunno what to make of it

Well. I am gonna make the unpopular opinion then that he doesn’t have a claim for self defense

with that logic though, you can find someone in breach of some law after they defend themselves 🙂

Rittenhouse has legal aid offered by GOA (gun owners of america) and they're not exactly dolts

I actually don't mind Destiny too much.

@xephael the guys running it are the covington case lawyers

He's not your typical demsoc, and actually has rational arguments.

He's a libertarian leftist.

@Maw omg I am still listening to this in the background no wonder I am irate

I would argue that had he not been carrying out the crime of illegally possessing a firearm there would’ve been no need for self defense and technically if someone is in violation of the law requiring him to use self defense his violation is responsible thus he is

He has been cast out from the left for his stance on Rittenhouse.

Or rather, specifically the far left.

How was him having the rife illegal?

@LrnAshly I'm pretty sure that people carrying illegally, and use it in self defense, are routinely not charged for murder, but I dunno about WI

@Maw I am not a fan of paternal libertarians

You would be correct. @realz

I don’t say I agree personally

Generally they're talking about burglary being a case where you cannot validly claim self defense.

Since you were instigating the violent confrontation.

but also, I think the constitutoinal argument is strong as well; a state has no right to stop you from your constitutional right to arm yourself, in the case of you defending yourself, which is an obvious right attached to the 2nd amendment, which means applying that law to being armed illegally is unconstitutional

Not general misdemeanors.

@Maw yea that law was written very sloppily IMO

Illegally possessing a firearm is a misdemeanor

it could be interpreted to basically destroy the self defense argument; they merely have to find some law you are breaking at the time

Theft is also another where you cannot claim self defense IIRC.

So if you're mugging someone, etc.

Stealing property, etc.

AGREED on the law being written in a sloppy way and I’m not saying I agree or don’t think he should have responded how he did. Legally I think the defense stance is weak if he was in possession of the weapon and illegally so.

No, it's still not weak.

there are defenses to that

I've listed a few

I do believe convicted felons have won self-defense cases when using firearms.

I would argue that having said gun open carrying may have been an instigating factor for his needing to defend his life

Which is a felony.

there are probably more