Message from @Doc

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2020-12-16 22:23:11 UTC  

I do not think it is likely to have ended up with him dying.

2020-12-16 22:23:22 UTC  

But that's not what you have to prove.

2020-12-16 22:23:25 UTC  

Regardless of who he shot in the process, he sucesfully defended himself.

2020-12-16 22:23:44 UTC  

Well it was at least reasonable for him to genuinely fear for his life

2020-12-16 22:23:51 UTC  

That's the point yes.

2020-12-16 22:23:51 UTC  

Once you prove that, you're good.

2020-12-16 22:23:52 UTC  

it would appear so

2020-12-16 22:24:09 UTC  

If the court agrees

2020-12-16 22:24:18 UTC  

Even if it's a 5-20% chance it's enough grounds to me that reasonably you could use deadly force to protect yourself from the risk of death.

2020-12-16 22:24:38 UTC  

I can present you with the argument the prosecution would make here, @D EMC , because it is also a logic one.

2020-12-16 22:24:48 UTC  

for it not being self defense.

2020-12-16 22:25:01 UTC  

Isn't it enough to prove you even had reasonable chance of believing you had risk of serious bodily harm?

2020-12-16 22:25:08 UTC  

Yes.

2020-12-16 22:25:21 UTC  

But that's defined differently in many states.

2020-12-16 22:25:28 UTC  

So the skateboard alone is already evidence

2020-12-16 22:25:34 UTC  

Bruises can constitute serious bodily injury, no I'm not joking.

2020-12-16 22:25:42 UTC  

The footage definitely helps him more than harms. Right?

2020-12-16 22:25:56 UTC  

For sure.

2020-12-16 22:26:11 UTC  

I happen to be a bruise specialist. That is a wierd thing, @Maw , as they can even be spontaious.

2020-12-16 22:26:15 UTC  

If not for that, nobody would prolly believe his side. He'd be fucked by the system.

2020-12-16 22:26:22 UTC  

Bruises are the weakest evidence in the world of forensic medicine.

2020-12-16 22:26:37 UTC  

But a broken bone is reasonable for that

2020-12-16 22:26:38 UTC  

Internal hemorrhaging may look like just a bruise on the surface, but it's generally not good at all.

2020-12-16 22:26:40 UTC  

@D EMC If he walks, it is due to the filmclips.

2020-12-16 22:26:45 UTC  

And I think he could easily argue that

2020-12-16 22:26:54 UTC  

@Doc amen

2020-12-16 22:27:13 UTC  

And massive pressure from the right. A lot of the left wants to bury him.

2020-12-16 22:27:27 UTC  

there are 20 hostile witnesses around him, and witness psychology suggests even the honest among them would testify against him.

2020-12-16 22:27:29 UTC  

Cuz judges are still human and thus susceptible to pressure.

2020-12-16 22:27:47 UTC  

The election is a clear example but I won't go in depth in this channel.

2020-12-16 22:27:50 UTC  

It's a jury trial, keep that in mind.

2020-12-16 22:27:58 UTC  

Which means it's even more unexpected.

2020-12-16 22:28:11 UTC  

And unpredictable.

2020-12-16 22:28:13 UTC  

depends on the judge. @D EMC remember that judges some places are instructed to include "the sense of justice in populace" in their verdicts.

2020-12-16 22:28:39 UTC  

The Wisconsin governor ain't finna pardon him. You gotta remember they let this shit even happen.

2020-12-16 22:29:00 UTC  

Again, judge has no real say in this, it's a trial by jury.

2020-12-16 22:29:01 UTC  

If the governor said no, the riots would stop.

2020-12-16 22:29:10 UTC  

The jury are still humans

2020-12-16 22:29:16 UTC  

So pressure does matter

2020-12-16 22:29:44 UTC  

The jury are more prone to making irrational judgments out of line with precedence.

2020-12-16 22:29:52 UTC  

I'm not advocating to go threaten em, what I'm saying is that people are pressuring em.