Message from @Maw

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2020-12-16 22:17:35 UTC  

No, he's purely looking at the individual systems.

2020-12-16 22:17:37 UTC  

I have very few opinions.

2020-12-16 22:17:42 UTC  

Fair enough.

2020-12-16 22:17:50 UTC  

Wbu @Maw

2020-12-16 22:18:17 UTC  

@D EMC I, personally, would like it possible where I live to defend my home with my weapon. That is not the case. So my opinion is worthless.

2020-12-16 22:18:44 UTC  

If I am to extend this right to some of the dufuses who own weapons, I am more unsure if that is a sane rule.

2020-12-16 22:19:05 UTC  

Again, I find myself incapable of determining what others should or should not due.

2020-12-16 22:19:35 UTC  

So you're a non interventionist

2020-12-16 22:19:47 UTC  

You're neutral basically
Just an observer

2020-12-16 22:20:00 UTC  

But I can, for instance, say that based on my personal experience with such mobs, mr. Rittenhouses position had they gotten hold of him and he was unarmed, could have been life threating. At the very least a wheelchair.

2020-12-16 22:20:14 UTC  

Agreed.

2020-12-16 22:20:29 UTC  

I have mixed feelings about it, but I too usually go by legal definitions.

2020-12-16 22:20:31 UTC  

yes. I prefer to observe. I think of it like a football match. I am not on the grass, and will never be able to get there, so I cant influence the outcome.

2020-12-16 22:20:37 UTC  

If at any point he lost control of his gun, he wouldn't be in court, he'd be in a casket.

2020-12-16 22:21:07 UTC  

I wouldn't say that.

2020-12-16 22:21:13 UTC  

But from a legal perspective you think he was right or nah

2020-12-16 22:21:40 UTC  

Is it reasonable to think he was in fear of his life? For sure. Do I think he likely would of died if he didn't do what he did? Ehhhhh...

2020-12-16 22:22:01 UTC  

It's at least somewhat likely he'd be dead.

2020-12-16 22:22:05 UTC  

Would you agree with that?

2020-12-16 22:22:11 UTC  

"from a legal perspective" - if that means how does it look like when you compare events to law, it looks to me like it is self defense under Wisconsin law.

2020-12-16 22:22:17 UTC  

With Gaige I'm liable to think he had a high chance of being killed, yes.

2020-12-16 22:22:41 UTC  

At the very least severely injured, for sure hospital if not dead. Agreed?

2020-12-16 22:22:59 UTC  

I think it's reasonable for him to fear for his life/serious bodily injury in all cases of confrontation where he used deadly force.

2020-12-16 22:23:02 UTC  

So he did the best thing for his self preservation, cuz at least he's alive now.

2020-12-16 22:23:11 UTC  

any blow to the head has a chance of turning you into Stephen Hawkins, he was struck once in the head with a heavy object. I do believe this is grounds to say his life as he knew it, was in danger.

2020-12-16 22:23:11 UTC  

I do not think it is likely to have ended up with him dying.

2020-12-16 22:23:22 UTC  

But that's not what you have to prove.

2020-12-16 22:23:25 UTC  

Regardless of who he shot in the process, he sucesfully defended himself.

2020-12-16 22:23:44 UTC  

Well it was at least reasonable for him to genuinely fear for his life

2020-12-16 22:23:51 UTC  

That's the point yes.

2020-12-16 22:23:51 UTC  

Once you prove that, you're good.

2020-12-16 22:23:52 UTC  

it would appear so

2020-12-16 22:24:09 UTC  

If the court agrees

2020-12-16 22:24:18 UTC  

Even if it's a 5-20% chance it's enough grounds to me that reasonably you could use deadly force to protect yourself from the risk of death.

2020-12-16 22:24:38 UTC  

I can present you with the argument the prosecution would make here, @D EMC , because it is also a logic one.

2020-12-16 22:24:48 UTC  

for it not being self defense.

2020-12-16 22:25:01 UTC  

Isn't it enough to prove you even had reasonable chance of believing you had risk of serious bodily harm?

2020-12-16 22:25:08 UTC  

Yes.

2020-12-16 22:25:21 UTC  

But that's defined differently in many states.

2020-12-16 22:25:28 UTC  

So the skateboard alone is already evidence

2020-12-16 22:25:34 UTC  

Bruises can constitute serious bodily injury, no I'm not joking.