Message from @Zerb
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I'd lay off the ad homs though.
It is against the rules, but I'm trying to be understanding.
Whithers, please take your meds. It's clearly needed.
@jcheesman123 Hey, that includes you too!
Yes, you do. One must be 12 years old to be able to comprehend point line perspective. If a 10 year old designs a faulty architectural draft of a bridge and it fails they were physically incapable of the comprehension necessary to perform the task. They cannot be held to the same standard as someone that has the capacity.
They are not Ceteris Paribus.
Aha.
Capacity.
Literally the argument I'm making to say people are held to different standards.
No you are not making the same argument.
Weird how you'd include that and only be respectful of it in one way though.
Yes, I am.
You are arguing that because some people choose to be willfully unskilled and willfully ignorant they should be allowed a lower standard of performance when they kill someone than someone that has chosen to be trained.
They are not in positions of authority with the prerequisites of these skills to be in positions of authority.
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No, I'm arguing that the existing standard is lower for the average American.
Because they are literally the average American.
It is the Act of God dilemma. If a person puts icemelt on their sidewalk to try and make it safer they are liable for the person that fell and broke their hip on their human altered sidewalk. Had they not bothered to alter it, then the fall is an Act of God and they are not liable. You argue that because the police make the effort to be skilled to try and do the best they can, that they must be liable, while the persons that make no effort should be let go.
One standard for the performance of an action. No differentiation on account of persons. No respecter of persons.
I wish we could have a better look at the QR code to see what information it gives when you use a regular QR scanner
No, I make the argument that if you're in a position of power unbidden by rules regular citizens MUST follow (but you don't have to) you need to be held to account for your actions in a higher standard, because the only reason you're allowed to be where you are is because of your capacity to deal with these situations.
Which is much greater than the average person.
Period.
Having authority to act changes nothing. If the performance of the action to be just is X, then all persons must perform that action to X standard. No matter who they are.
No, it absolutely does.
@Maw just jumping in on your discussion, are you talking about the Doctrine of Strict Liability of a professional person ?
No it does not. If you stick your finger in the light socket the light socket does not zap you harder if you are an electrician.
We're talking about holding officers and people in positions of power to a higher standard than the average American.
The law must be blind. No respecter of persons. All to one standard. All persons are equally obligated before the law.
Any other standard is a double standard.
I agree.
Well police officers get qualified immunity, isn’t that double standards?
If you can hold adults to a higher standard than children, then we can hold police to a higher standard than average Americans.
It's unreasonable to assume every American would get 6 months of police training.
Like I don't even know why this is an argument.
If you create a standard of law that says people are held to a different standard then you will always have a multi-tiered justice system. If the "lower" classes are given license to disregard the law on occasion because of their status then equally it justifies holding those in authority to different and from time to time lesser standards because they are a different caste of persons. There must be and always be the same ethical obligation before the law or justice has no blindfold.
We already have that standard.
@Maw as far as I know that is known as Strict Liability in Tort Law, where the mental element of KNOWINGLY or INTENTIONALLY is not required for criminal behaviour, because a professional person is expected to have that knowledge . . . .not sure Im being entirely clear, do you get my meaning ?
@ReclaimTheLaw, you just advanced to level 3!