Message from @shadowedROM

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2016-12-23 22:44:08 UTC  

Free market would technically fix that if it happened in America. People would stop buying chairs from the company and a 3rd party regulatory establishment would be created to independently verify chairs.

2016-12-23 22:44:51 UTC  

It's just the death in the first place that leads to the actions. Reactionary style regulations.

2016-12-23 22:45:44 UTC  

Is there a UL equivalent in China

2016-12-23 22:45:58 UTC  

Underwriter's Laboratory

2016-12-23 22:46:16 UTC  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if that even means anything nowadays

2016-12-23 22:46:49 UTC  

There are probably 3rd party regulators. Independently verifying luxury goods.

2016-12-23 22:47:13 UTC  

Probably cheaper to get them verified in China before export than verifying them in the destination country

2016-12-23 22:47:37 UTC  

Just a 30c piece of chinkshit isn't worth verifying.

2016-12-23 22:48:27 UTC  

I don't think 3rd parties work anymore

2016-12-23 22:49:13 UTC  

The internet is a powerful tool for self-regualtion too. If anyone gets injured by a product, it's all over social media quickly.

2016-12-23 22:49:25 UTC  

So companies want to avoid it.

2016-12-23 22:49:50 UTC  

And I can anecdotally tell you that from personal experience, commercial and profit based auditors are generally a little lax and follow a lot of personal bias to save time, their own and their clients' in kind

2016-12-23 22:52:16 UTC  

Companies and management folks don't generally prioritize these things. Verification is a bothersome roadblock that they want to get through with as little fanfare as possible- 9/10 times they put that burden on engineers, who sometimes aren't going to be at their best judgment level

2016-12-23 22:53:29 UTC  

Esp after pulling that 50-60 hour week yet again because the damn designer wanted the device to have some ridiculous initialization sequence for a e s t h e t i c

2016-12-23 22:53:58 UTC  

So they're gonna just say fukkit

2016-12-23 22:54:33 UTC  

A lot of consumer products nowadays are pretty close to being safe from factory. Without the need to quality check.

2016-12-23 22:54:42 UTC  

Kek

2016-12-23 22:54:59 UTC  

As production process get more automated, the chances of safety issues decrease too.

2016-12-23 22:55:14 UTC  

Main issues are still around electrical goods.

2016-12-23 22:55:21 UTC  

What if the design spec is garbage

2016-12-23 22:55:23 UTC  

As seen with Samsungs prones

2016-12-23 22:55:29 UTC  

phones*

2016-12-23 22:55:46 UTC  

We will eventually get to a point where designis automated too

2016-12-23 22:55:59 UTC  

Where the limit is resources rather than ambition

2016-12-23 22:57:04 UTC  

Not sure if you speak from experience or not but you're right about the process being more automated, but it's hard to say if safety is going to be a priority, vs time to market

2016-12-23 22:57:20 UTC  

Dev cycles already have corners cut like crazy

2016-12-23 22:57:55 UTC  

Imagine your electronics having the same weird bugs as your average Web 2.0 nodejs nubfest

2016-12-23 22:58:13 UTC  

When you have a fully automated production cycle, time to market will be about getting the raw materials in time, rather than the output to shops

2016-12-23 22:58:41 UTC  

and a 3rd party regulatory establishment would be created to independently verify chairs > yeah lmao just like rating agencies :^)

2016-12-23 22:58:53 UTC  

The inputs will be the slowing factor, rather than the outputs

2016-12-23 22:59:40 UTC  

You sound like a blackboxy manager

2016-12-23 22:59:46 UTC  

When you say stuff like that

2016-12-23 23:00:08 UTC  

I am in managment... hah

2016-12-23 23:00:41 UTC  

But I'm far from libertarian, and agree that governemnt needs to regulate for the forseeable future

2016-12-23 23:00:44 UTC  

Treating factories like an automated machine is a good path to the future, but machines need to be audited and tuned

2016-12-23 23:01:29 UTC  

Eventually it will be a never-ending cycle of machines fixing and tuning eachother.

2016-12-23 23:01:50 UTC  

I'm not libertarian either but I can't say that deregulating is generally a good thing, nor is over-regulating shit that the dummy government has no business regulating

2016-12-23 23:02:38 UTC  

It woulsdn't be deregulation, it'd be more moving regulation to the private sector, and becoming a by choice thing.

2016-12-23 23:03:17 UTC  

The main disadvantage to comapnies in not to regulate would be customer trust, but an advantage would be cheapness.

2016-12-23 23:03:47 UTC  

I'm sure many people would choose to spend like $200 on a car if it ment being a death trap, and that is their choice.