Message from @Marquis De Sade
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@Grim well fascism did originate from Sorel
Italian fascism, yes
But I am not an Italian fascist
Italian fascism is literally the basis for all fascism.
Mosley and Jose Antonio Primo De Riveria had called themselves National Syndicalists, just like Mussolini did. @Grim
Are you a national socialist
No, though there are points within natsoc that I agree with
I don't like the whole "all Jews are evil" thing
So why not identify as fascist, because the creator of Fascism, Giovanni Gentile, was Italian and worked closely with Mussolini @Grim
Are you speaking about classical fascism?
I’m speaking about from what I’ve read from Mosley, Gentile, Mussolini and Rivera
I do identify as fascist, but I don't subscribe to Italian fascism
That’s like saying I’m a tree but I have no roots @Grim
Not quite
Fascism is entirely based on the Italian ideas of Gentile which were heavily influenced by Sorel in France.
Mosley and Rivera literally looked up to Gentile and Mussolini
Yes, but fascism has taken many forms since then. National socialism is fascism but not Italian fascism
National Socialism is revisionist
Fascism originally, was never race-based, was never eugenicist, it wasn’t even anti-semitic
There are only one other sect of fascism, I know of, and that’s nazism
There are plenty of other sects of fascism
Falange? Which was entirely based on the ideas of Gentile and Mussolini?
The British Blackshirts which were entirely based on Gentile and Mussolini
Everything originated from Italian fascism yes but every different country that ever introduced fascism had a different take on it
Yes but they technically stole most of their ideas from Italian and French philosophers
Stole? That's like saying all modern democratic governments "stole" from Greece
Fascism was an original creation
Gentile said that himself
And other groups adopted what was already existing and evolved it to fit their needs
All fascists support corporatist state, all fascists support national unity, all fascists are against internationalism, all fascists oppose classical liberalism
To assume the only "true" fascism is Italian fascism is ignorant
There really isn’t nothing fascists disagree on, with the exception of the fascists in Nazi Germany and Romania
Lenin believed Marxism should be implemented in Russia, they still taught people the works of Marx.
You think we should abandon the very foundations of Fascism just because they’re “Italian”
It has nothing to do with being Italian
I'm saying fascism can be and is used as an umbrella term for all different nuanced types of fascism
Are you saying the Russian version of Marxism, Marxist-Leninism is completely different from the Jewish ideology of Marx?
I'm saying there is nuance
Give me evidence that Mosley disagreed with Mussolini’s ideas
What are you on about?
Your low IQ
Do you not understand nuance?