I mean this is the Internet

Idk how I was supposed to know but that's cool

I was asking him

All Gucci gang

Problems still to be solved:

>Showing that humans are inherently evil, to be shown that you can get a normative claim (moral - good & bad) from an empirical claim. So as to make a general method of agreement for every belief system.

WellI could give you a semi example

If you put a bunch of people in the bush, first they are going to be killing each other, then slowly they will learn that grouping up is more efficient for survival, beginning a foundation for morality

Devine morality, there is an actual right way to do things, that is genuinely more benificial

Divine morality is a different topic altogether.

The question is simple, show objective moral duties exist through empirical claims.

What impirical claims are you implying?

Divine Morality concerns itself with DCT, that's different.

Scientific claims, to prove that we should be moral.

That morality is an inherent part of the world, as was claimed.

Would you say it's an emperical truth that our survival is a good thing

Yes

No, wait.

So would morality be based around whats best for our survival?

You're presupposing.

survival is a good thing, is already a normative claim.

This is a cicular arguement

Survival is beneficial to the advancement of the species is an emierical claim.

But you would say survival by itself is a human desire?

Sure, if there is an empirical basis for it, which we will assume.

So you are asking me for an empirical proof that survival is good

I'm asking you to derive from the empirical claim that survival is beneficial, that survival is "good"

Well I cannot give you that at the moment, but I would like to ask you to help me look for it

No, we'll assume it is.

No

No assumptions

Help me look for it

The whole point of selection pressure is to further the chances of survival of a species.

Agreed

But I dont see that as imperical proof for survival to be a good thing

We may infer from this that the natural desire of human beings is to further their offsprings.

No, first the empirical claim, that it is beneficial, then you can try to derive Morality from it.

But hold on

You said it's a claim

Is it actually a proven claim

Yes, same energy because it is "empirical"

Scientific claims are scientifically proven.