Message from @Bibleman

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2019-07-13 15:29:09 UTC  

But Mosaic Law, when zealously worshipped, was idolatry in itself—however the Law was to preserve culture, not determine salvation. Jesus wanted people to work on faith, not in accordance with law, because works without faith are dead. St. Paul also taught to find the Christ (Spirit of God) in yourself, and to emulate Jesus of Nazareth. This was about achieving salvation through the Grace of God and faithfulness, not by obedience to the State.

2019-07-13 15:29:38 UTC  

Galatians 2:21

2019-07-13 15:29:39 UTC  

**Galatians 2:21 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<21> I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing. ```

2019-07-13 15:31:10 UTC  

Fair point

2019-07-13 15:31:19 UTC  

But are they not allowed to work in tandem?

2019-07-13 15:32:35 UTC  

Well, ideally, "sin" is transgression against the law—just meant that the OT overemphasizes the importance of it though.

2019-07-13 15:33:02 UTC  

Romans 6:14

2019-07-13 15:33:04 UTC  

**Romans 6:14 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<14> For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. ```

2019-07-13 15:33:23 UTC  

I was wrong about you Enn, you did not come to stir the pot, but to help us. I admit that

2019-07-13 15:33:46 UTC  

thanks

2019-07-13 15:34:06 UTC  

Romans 7:1-6

2019-07-13 15:34:06 UTC  

**Romans 7:1-6 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
An Analogy from Marriage

<1> Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only during that person's lifetime? <2> Thus a married woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. <3> Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man, she is not an adulteress. <4> In the same way, my friends, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. <5> While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. <6> But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. ```

2019-07-13 15:40:54 UTC  

**Galatians 5:14 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<14> For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." ```

2019-07-13 16:18:32 UTC  

The pot was stirred when we allowed immigrantion

2019-07-13 19:03:55 UTC  

@Enn I know the Bible very well. You call it the Old Testament to demonize it. At least Christian bibles do that. While Jesus and the Apostles lived the Bible was the entire Bible. Nothing old about it.

You seem to get everything wrong about the Bible. You seem to think Jesus taught some brand new religion that had nothing to do with the Bible. Yet your New Testament was never even written by Jesus. Just old almost ancient memories of Jesus when the Gospels were first written 60 years or more later.

Jesus mostly quoted the Bible as any good teacher would. Thou shalt love Yehovah with all your heart is Deut 6. Leviticus 17 is Thou shalt love your neighbor as yourself.

2019-07-13 19:08:00 UTC  

Christians call the Law of Yehovah given to Moses the Law of Moses to demonize it. Yet Jesus and the Apostles all kept the Law of God and they did not write any new law down. They just taught from the Law of Yehovah from the Bible.

You speak of sacrifice that the evil demonic satanist did during the time of the Bible and they still do it. That has nothing at all to do with Yehovah. You do not understand how they prepared their food and demonize the killing of animals to eat them. Even though you eat meat most likely. Prepared by evil people.

Sacrifice was mostly about burning the parts of animals that should not be eaten to keep the people more healthy. Now the demonic evil people prepare food for us to eat not to keep us healthy rather to use us as slaves.

2019-07-13 19:09:47 UTC  

Galatians 4

2019-07-13 19:09:51 UTC  

The whole chapter

2019-07-13 19:09:52 UTC  

Christianity for the most part is the Law of God you call the Law of Moses. I am not saying you understand calling it the Law of Moses is demonizing it. I am sure you don't. I am sure you think it is A OK to call the Bible the Old and New Testament. Yet it is rather a demonic spell to demonize the real Bible.

2019-07-13 19:09:55 UTC  

That is all

2019-07-13 19:10:23 UTC  

We are no longer under the mosaic covenant

2019-07-13 19:10:36 UTC  

Why seek ye to be back in bondage.

2019-07-13 19:11:13 UTC  

Galatians 4:3

2019-07-13 19:11:14 UTC  

**Galatians 4:3 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<3> So with us; while we were minors, we were enslaved to the elemental spirits of the world. ```

2019-07-13 19:13:04 UTC  

Do you really think we are not still slaves? Do you really think we have any real freedom? If so you are not paying attention to how Islam has become the supreme law and Christianity is not even allowed in the Schools.

2019-07-13 19:13:43 UTC  

How people go to prison in Canada, it will come here, just for quoting the Bible.

2019-07-13 19:14:39 UTC  

How here in America it is illegal not to make a special cake praising Gays if you are a baker. Illegal to not allow a Gay wedding in your Christian wedding chapel.

2019-07-13 19:15:01 UTC  

We have no freedom. We are slaves.

2019-07-13 19:15:39 UTC  

So you want us to be slaves to the government and the law of moses?

2019-07-13 19:16:12 UTC  

The Law of Yehovah was against slavery. It has nothing to do with the Law of Rome which now enslaves us.

2019-07-13 19:17:04 UTC  

Using their defiled Christian New Testament to support what they are doing to enslave us. Fooling us to think we are not slaves while we are.

2019-07-13 19:18:07 UTC  

Galatians 4:8 kjv

2019-07-13 19:18:07 UTC  

**Galatians 4:8 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<8> Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. ```

2019-07-13 19:18:10 UTC  

Are you calling the NT defiled?

2019-07-13 19:18:59 UTC  

are you a zionist or something?

2019-07-13 19:19:35 UTC  

I am as anti ziionist as possible

2019-07-13 19:19:37 UTC  

doubting Jesus, pushing the law of moses, extremely pharisaic of you

2019-07-13 19:20:09 UTC  

I am not doubting Jesus. I am doubting the authenticity of the New Testament as now written.

2019-07-13 19:20:48 UTC  

the whole point was that the NEw Testament couldn't be completely defiled, so rome hasd to make councils to dictate the doctrine

2019-07-13 19:20:50 UTC  

I do not trust the Roman Catholic Church to have told us the truth about them not forging their beliefs into the New Testament.

2019-07-13 19:21:04 UTC  

perhaps a few corrupted verses, but entirely defiled?