Message from @Citizen Z
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And you are wrong
How am I wrong?
Most diseases were 90% eradicated before a vaccine was developed
Do to sanitation and better standard of living
Yes, but what about people in third world countries or countries with lower standards of living?
What about them
They want your vaccine?
Most of the time, yes.
Then give it to them
I want you to tell me something. Do you work in the medical field?
No
Have you ever heard an infant with whooping cough?
Family does tho
Can you prove to me vaccinated kids never get whooping cough?
Yes. I work in the medical field. Every time I encounter an infant with whooping cough, they aren't vaccinated. I have never encountered a child with whooping cough who was vaccinated.
I just want you to not even watch this video, but just, at the bare minimum, listen to it: https://youtu.be/S3oZrMGDMMw
Ok great..then keep giving whooping cough shots.
I dont care what you do. Thats the difference
You want to force others to do what you want
You are free to promote vaccines and take them
No one is stopping you
Yes, I do want to force others what to do because:
1) Anti-vaxxers are putting their own children's lives in danger.
2) They are putting others' children's lives in danger.
3) They are putting elderly's lives in danger.
4) It is blatant child neglect and abuse.
5) It is my job to make sure people don't die and it frustrates me to no end when people refuse to vaccinate their children on the basis that "vaccines are bad."
@Citizen Z I really hope that that was a bad joke.
Well, you gotta weigh risks and benefits. Especially with something like "forcing others" to do what you want, specify the degree of endangerment is a good place to start. Government is policy is obviously gonna be more tricky
@「阿波根うみこ」 10% is still a ton of cases. That number is in at least the hundreds of thousands of cases.
@「阿波根うみこ」 We agree on that. Stuff like sanitation is also really important, being clean stops disease from spreading. This and other factors lead to the diseases being 90% eradicated.
@AstralSentient I know that, I just generally meant with vaccines. I know some people can't be vaccinated due to medical issues. But if a child is perfectly able to be vaccinated and the parent doesn't vaccinate the child, then that's when I define it as blatant child neglect.
Also, there's this thing that's been happening recently that's been annoying me to no end.
I'd say it heavily depends on the degree of endangerment. Because it isn't an immediate thing, it is a long term family planning issue
That true of course, but I'm just trying to explain one factor that lead to these diseases being almost eradicated before vaccines were introduced. Sorry if it looked like I was claiming good sanitation is good enough to eradicate diseases.
This woman came in to get her kids checked for allergies, and one ended up being allergic to things with strong fragrances, such as perfumes, cologne, etc. Then I mentioned essential oils and I told her to save her money by not buying them anyways.
Yeah it turns out this woman was part of an MLM that sells essential oils. She blew up in my face.
Yeah this one person (divorced couple, kid was on visiting night with his mom) put undiluted tea tree oil in her kid's ear because the kid had an ear infection.
The dad told me what happened when he brought he kid in again. I told him to watch the kid closely for signs of tea tree oil poisoning (tea tree oil is poisonous if swallowed but since it was put in the kid's ear, it was better to be safe than sorry).
the whole fear being observed here is part of hegelian dialect (problem-reaction-solution)
manufacturing of consent becomes clear
@I hate sand 90% before vaccines were developed. It was still dropping. Only like 70% of ppl are vaccinated with 7 series. Where is all the deaths?
better nutrition plumbing and sanitation got rid of diseases not your vaccines