Message from @Logad

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2019-07-12 18:26:28 UTC  

It is just a triangle.

2019-07-12 18:27:05 UTC  

Why would you use a triangular calculation to calculate a curve?

2019-07-12 18:29:48 UTC  

Because it is easy way to confirm the 0.666666... feet per miles squared. I only did it a few times. It is something like 0.6661 or something like that. I just said 0.666 because that is a symbol and it is very close to it. I would never care about the thousandth I could be off in the calculation.

2019-07-12 18:30:55 UTC  

You know that that formula describes a parabola and not a circle?

2019-07-12 18:31:26 UTC  

lmao you used the Pythagorean theorem

2019-07-12 18:31:32 UTC  

Yes but I want a triangle not a circle.

2019-07-12 18:31:35 UTC  

I don't even know how that relates to the curvature of the earth

2019-07-12 18:32:00 UTC  

That parabolic equation is known to be false and using the proper (Sine) formula you can get it closer

2019-07-12 18:32:16 UTC  

If you assume the Earth is perfectly flat all that formula would give you is the distance between the point you're looking at and whatever distance you set as the radius

2019-07-12 18:32:21 UTC  

Or use a readymade calculator like this https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

2019-07-12 18:32:30 UTC  

In mathematics, the Pythagorean theorem, also known as Pythagoras' theorem, is a fundamental relation in Euclidean geometry among the three sides of a right triangle. It states that the area of the square whose side is the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares on the other two sides.

2019-07-12 18:32:34 UTC  

So whatever point you were looking at compared to an unspecified point below you

2019-07-12 18:32:38 UTC  

don't know how this is mildly related to the curvature of the earth

2019-07-12 18:33:00 UTC  

You go down to the center of the earth. The radius it is called. You go out for however many miles it is. Use google earth or something to see. So two sides of a triangle at a right angle. Then C is the distance from the center of the earth up to meet the line of sight. That will give you the curvature you should see.

2019-07-12 18:33:33 UTC  

line of sight is not perpendicular

2019-07-12 18:33:35 UTC  

lol no you don't use the Pythagorean theorem to find the curvature of the earth

2019-07-12 18:34:00 UTC  

It would absolutely be. The curve would be below the line of sight.

2019-07-12 18:34:21 UTC  

h = r * (1 - cos a) is accurate for any distance

2019-07-12 18:34:45 UTC  

@mineyful Yes doing that would prove the earth is a ball. Don't do that. Is that what you are saying?

2019-07-12 18:34:52 UTC  

The Earth's radius (r) is 6371 km or 3959 miles, based on numbers from Wikipedia,
which gives a circumference (c)of c = 2 * π * r = 40 030 km

We wish to find the height (h) which is the drop in curvature over the distance (d)

Using the circumference we find that 1 kilometer has the angle
360° / 40 030 km = 0.009°. The angle (a) is then a = 0.009° * distance (d)

The derived formula h = r * (1 - cos a) is accurate for any distance (d)

2019-07-12 18:35:21 UTC  

Why should we not show that the earth is a sphere?

2019-07-12 18:36:51 UTC  

@mineyful Do you not understand almost no one would understand how calculus is used to get that formula. Few take college calculus. However most people in High School take math and would understand Pathagriums theory.

2019-07-12 18:37:12 UTC  

My son knows very little about math. But he knows that.

2019-07-12 18:37:19 UTC  

that's trig

2019-07-12 18:37:27 UTC  

Also I'm re-reading some of the calculations you showed earlier. If we took your .666 feet per mile figure you would see just 6.66 feet of curve over 10 miles not 66.6

2019-07-12 18:38:09 UTC  

True but the formula requires using calculus to come up with that formula.

2019-07-12 18:38:57 UTC  

If someone does not trust anything they just read about. Like that formula. Well then they dismiss it. Will not believe it is valid.

2019-07-12 18:39:22 UTC  

it shows you the derivation of the formula if you just read what I said

2019-07-12 18:39:42 UTC  

But they will understand what that simple formula that can be used in many useful ways.

2019-07-12 18:39:47 UTC  

the branch of mathematics that deals with the finding and properties of derivatives and integrals of functions, by methods originally based on the summation of infinitesimal differences. The two main types are differential calculus and integral calculus.

2019-07-12 18:39:51 UTC  

what I posted is not calculus

2019-07-12 18:40:22 UTC  

I am not questioning the validity of that formula at all. I just took Calculus so understand how it was invented.

2019-07-12 18:40:39 UTC  

"True but the formula requires using calculus to come up with that formula."

2019-07-12 18:40:42 UTC  

that's not correct

2019-07-12 18:41:01 UTC  

OK explain to me how they came up with it.

2019-07-12 18:41:05 UTC  

I just

2019-07-12 18:41:06 UTC  

pasted

2019-07-12 18:41:08 UTC  

the explanation

2019-07-12 18:41:32 UTC  

we're looping so I'm getting off this debate

2019-07-12 18:41:38 UTC  

when we start looping in debates I just quit

2019-07-12 18:42:48 UTC  

It does not explain why cosine is used. It is just a very basic description of how the formula works. Not how the formula was put together.