You assume it exists

You do not know it

I do know it, actually

we have mathematics for that

You really don't

and it reflects our reality

Math is not reality

Math is a tool

and even basic phenomena in nature explains a round earth

I have "math" that says I'm a trillionaire

Math is a tool we use to reflect reality

** MATH IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE REALITY!**

Math is a tool we use to reflect it

It is a tool

Tool

2 + 2 does not equal 5

Tool

Get this through your damn head

**TOOL!!**

how about a measurement of curvature @Pwnelius ?

Yes, I'm agreeing that it's a tool

Not a direct reflection

but it's a tool we uses to reflect reality

9.8 m/s, squared... because that's what we observe

hi!

we don't just make it up as we go along

ok cool

so making the argument that math proves nothing because it's a "tool" is nonsensical

how me get art role?

And just simply stating 9.8 m/s squared will not explain anything unless you go into more detail. Stating equations will not explain anything unless you know what those are tools for.

You still need reality outside of math

yes, you do

math is founded in reality

So, math **is not** reality.

math is founded in reality

Not always

You can do anything with math

no I can't

You can make up anything with math

I cannot divide by zero

I cannot say 2 + 2 = 5