The thing is not everyone considers a fetus a human

Just sayin

We would all be murderers according to you without laws @Friedrich

Abortion is Baal Sacrifice

don’t pull out in the heat of the moment

@keanuwiththememes well you gotta ask them what they consider a human

You know women actually second guess before doing an abortion right?

Never said that, said we'd be murdering each other if we ended up believing in no end term judgement due to a lack of morality and legality, which is different from saying "without laws"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4c_l0s814g&list=PLMFoDoF5WCjivNyZjSOWfzjD4TyFbvqhu&index=45

Nice

Very democratic

It’s different for everyone what constitutes a human and most would say those that don’t look like aren’t ones as we’ve seen with slavery lol. Fetuses don’t have a developed brain or functioning body to be classified as one so most would not consider

And America is a country with "good" intentions

@keanuwiththememes people disagreeing on what constitutes as human doesn't make it more or less human.

There's not much difference between a baby before and after birth, someone's opinion doesn't make something less or more human.

That's why we check empirical data for backing up our normative claims

Although they do not constitue what is moral.

Women second guess all the time as anyone who grows something live in them would. They’d have to process a lot the choice they make and there are many complications that lead to going through with that choice not just because they are baby killers

So if I second guess after I murder someone it's ok?

Nicetiful

Think the point where life is more philosophical if you flat out ignore the science reasoning

*when life begins

No, we have a philosophical argument.

Is this philosophical right now

If recall my philosophy classes, a person is that which is worth our moral consideration. Now we have drawn the line, we just need to find out what this person is.

*we are having a philosophical argument

Yes, it is philosophical, but the base rate argument has been decided.

I kinda want to debate but my speciality is minor sciences

I do major sciences.

Lol, not philosophy, but it is my hobby.

I can’t tackle GR or QM

*major in science

I don't have a major

Am doing a major.

You just said you did

No one should tackle GR/QM in this server

Oh lord, 97?

So *am majoring in science

People make up morality. It’s up to them to decide if their actions is in line with that. All I’m saying is you can’t control everyone. You can show evidence and convince others but realistically you will never be able to change everyone’s mind. Unless you become a hypnotist or something anyway we all have our freewill and choices to live by that’s up to us

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Doesn't mean we can't propose laws