Even if no one went into space, that doesnt prove the earth is flar

flat

no rocket or space shuttle has ever gone into outer space, they simply fly high into the air, then arc over and lauch in the ocean

take a look at the video I sent

there are no satellites in outer space

how does wifi and 4G work then?

or satnav

oh yeah

there are pseudollites, instrumentation and equipment attached to high-altitude balloons

so you saying balloons are in space?

*but what about the video I just sent of the shuttle launch POV*

the rest is handled by ground based towers / dishes, undersea cables and other airborne platforms

but you're saying they dont orbit because it's not round?

no balloons are high in the air

seems like a lot of air traffic to not be discovered

nothing goes to outer space because outer space does not exist or is not reachable as they have shown you

true why dont we see them in planes if they're not that high

what wair

wait

so where are we then?

@Seeker of Truth did you look at the video I sent you

did you just say outer space does not exist?

there are flight restrictions for various flight levels

not many things fly at 80k~120k ft

Thats a really arrogant thing to state

outer space is the stuff of science fiction, Hollywood films, novels and video games

where exactly is earth if space doesn't exist

then what about comets

other planets

the moon and sun

what is outside of earth

you have been lied to and shown computer graphics and fish eye lens footage

and stars

and also with my own eyes looool

I look outside and I see stars the sun and the moon

god is different cos no one has ever seen him

ive seen the bloody sun

@Seeker of Truth you're more than welcome to go to the cape or the one in cali for a rocket launch

those things are loud as hell

and seeing the boosters land back are great

Then how do we get night and day