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it could be just a few people lying to us

Real scientists will admit they dont know exactly what the sun is

most I believe are innocent

@Umwhat agreed

This isn't relevant to my question, citizen.

I wanted an explanation for the sun's movement around the center of the earth. You did provide one, to some extent - change in elevation.

Ok. Well explain then.

But you don't have any observations to prove that.

The sun moves between the tropics on a spiral

We do have observations

Yes, that means it has to move faster or slower depending on where it is spiraling.

Have you ever tracked the sun?

No

It means it changes elevations and we cant notice it

Its relative for some reason

You dont even know if the sun is physical

It could be a reflection

We dont know

Wait, I'm confused...how does changing elevation explain the movement of the sun across the sky? Can you give me a map that shows this?

Join debate to have a debate

If i could give you a map we wouldnt be here

We have only approximations

if you can't make a map that explains your propositions, don't you think it's reasonable to assume that the flat earth is not a viable model to represent reality, until further observation is made?

No

Plenty of observation has been made

it depends what you consider a map lol

You are not questioning verifiable observations

You are questioning the sky

Can we use the current flat earth model to navigate ships, airplanes, and cars?

There is no flat earth model

There is a globe model

Which doesn't line up with observation

Unless you assume

honestly all navigation systems assume a flat stationary plane

If it doesn't line up with observation, how does GPS lead you to your destination?

Gps is a mathematical construct

A mathematical construct that works in the real world.

No it doesnt work.

1 + 1 = 2 is a mathematical construct, however I know that if I add one apple to an apple I have, I will have two apples.

It assumes a sphere