Message from @CrowdersDefense

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2019-10-12 15:00:31 UTC  

Good point.

2019-10-12 15:02:38 UTC  

Not to mention your lvl of knowledge on a topic really impacts your ability to be targeted by a conspiracy.
As a child (or at least this was me) I used to think poverty was dumb and there was a clear easy solution, get rid of money. I didn’t have any knowledge on how the economy works.
So when you don’t have high lvl of understanding in mathematics and science, you think you know everything. The quote I think goes like this “A smart person thinks their dumb, while a ignorant person thinks they know everything”. When I was a freshman I bragged that I knew physics and was the best in math to my friends, yet I had never taken physics. When I then decided to sit down and pick up a notebook to learn physics, I ended up crying and at that moment I realized just how complicated the topic was.
When I was talking to paradox yesterday she said she tried to debunk the flat earth argument, but she couldn’t. It could be that she didn’t have the right material/knowledge to explain to the other side why they were wrong. Or it could be that the other side didn’t have the same understanding in math or science as her and though of whatever she said to be absurd.

2019-10-12 15:08:09 UTC  

And instead presented their “evidence” as a series of fill in the blank answers. Rather then using data.
If you have ever read a physics paper you will understand what I mean by data..not some article online. It is heavily math based and uses complicated scientific terms, that the average joe isn’t going to understand. That’s what articles are for, to simplify those papers so the average person can understand them. But they might translate the paper wrong or leave out materials because it will be too complicated for a normal civilian to understand.
Everyone falls into this trap, both sides do.

2019-10-12 15:10:53 UTC  

Thats why i dont argue against flat earthers.

2019-10-12 15:13:46 UTC  

I don't really mind the flat earth stuff, as long as they're willing to look into conspiracy stuff

2019-10-12 15:14:02 UTC  

But not to the point where they're essentially solipsists

2019-10-12 15:14:10 UTC  

I just sprinkle salt to spark wonder and let them figure out the rest. But regardless, I will state what I believe and provide reason why I believe it. But I never do that to get into a "youre wrong Im right" debate.

2019-10-12 15:14:58 UTC  

Here a quote from a flat earth page “The simplest is by relying on ones own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us. The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat”
They rely on their senses. But your sense can be wrong. It’s simple psychology. That’s how magic tricks are performed by tricking your senses, that’s how placebo effects happen by tricking your senses.
However math defeats that, it takes your sense into account BUT it uncovers what’s really happening.
An example would be this.
Let’s say I look at 2 buildings which look identical to me. Building 1 is far away and building 2 is somewhat close to me. Building 2 is taller, but idk know that. Now due to perspective the 2 buildings are going to look the same size. However when you apply simple trig and physics you will find that the 2nd building is taller.

2019-10-12 15:15:24 UTC  

I hate "youre wrong Im right" debates.

2019-10-12 15:15:39 UTC  

Those aren't debates, really

2019-10-12 15:15:43 UTC  

Yea

2019-10-12 15:15:54 UTC  

That’s the one side think their better then the other

2019-10-12 15:16:38 UTC  

Well I think I’m done with my rant, don’t wanna write an essay 😂.
If any flat earther would like to debate, I’m down.

2019-10-12 15:16:45 UTC  

That's the mentality you should go into a debate with because you're trying to persuade someone else. However, you should actually argue and provide evidence rather than just dismiss the other side

2019-10-12 15:17:00 UTC  

@CrowdersDefense link me that page pls

2019-10-12 15:17:24 UTC  

Unfortunately, when I see the bottom of clouds in the far distance of the same cloud level that Im flying above, my senses tell me that the sky is curved, and so is the earth.

2019-10-12 15:17:31 UTC  

Thats not official, I wouldnt trust it personally 😉

2019-10-12 15:17:42 UTC  

But is that not your argument tho?

2019-10-12 15:17:52 UTC  

nope

2019-10-12 15:17:52 UTC  

Trust your senses and sense only

2019-10-12 15:18:21 UTC  

Many experiments have been done, plus theres no curvature, the globe model doesnt match what we observe!

2019-10-12 15:18:28 UTC  

That's impossible, without presupposing your senses are reliable

2019-10-12 15:18:29 UTC  

Exactly

2019-10-12 15:18:35 UTC  

Why I mentioned solipsism

2019-10-12 15:18:52 UTC  

I trust my senses and they tell me that the Earth is a globe. What makes my senses inferior to anyone elses senses?

2019-10-12 15:18:57 UTC  

Experiments, lots of them have been done

2019-10-12 15:18:59 UTC  

You said what we observe, that’s not what the math says

2019-10-12 15:19:09 UTC  

Okay Logged give me 1 experiment

2019-10-12 15:19:13 UTC  

^

2019-10-12 15:19:14 UTC  

This tells us the current globe model is wrong!

2019-10-12 15:19:15 UTC  

I’ll go take a look at it

2019-10-12 15:19:36 UTC  

Go check the infered photos

2019-10-12 15:19:52 UTC  

The what

2019-10-12 15:19:59 UTC  

Infered

2019-10-12 15:20:05 UTC  

On google?

2019-10-12 15:20:14 UTC  

youtube 😉

2019-10-12 15:20:23 UTC  

they walk you through it

2019-10-12 15:20:28 UTC  

Give me a link

2019-10-12 15:20:49 UTC  

Cause I can’t find anything