the idea of there being a creator in the first place is to say that there is a cause in the first place

And there being a cause in the first place applies to a lot of other things.

I ate lunch cause I was hungry.

I punched that buff guy cause I was drunk.

The black hole was created because a star died.

now youre playing games with words, this debate was over a while ago

Cause and effect applies to other theories, not just the creation one.

it doesnt apply to nonexistence, because that doesnt exist and cant exist

How many times must I repeat myself.

you dont need to, im done here

This isn't a situation of "it's either a creator or the big bang".

There are a lot of OTHER possibilities.

like what

please tell me

As I said, there could be theories that we didn't think about yet.

You guys need to get rid of this "you are either with us or against us" kind of mentality.

one of us does for sure

Simulation earth?

youre the only one pushing that

@Jeff the Plant no there is no other possibility with cause and effect

there is no other theory

everything falls under the two big umbrellas of creation vs big bang

@kino exactly the mentality of either with or against us.

no

you only feel that way

but whether you like it or not

it is what it is

Well, you seem to deny that there could be other possibilities.

have you ever heard of moving the goal post dover?

Possibilities that we didn't think of.

@Jeff the Plant im sure those 'possibilities' ultimately fall under either the creation or the big bang theory

its like

Or, theories like the one I made in like, 5 minutes.

There are other possibilities.

Logical fallacy
Moving the goalposts is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. That is, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt.

Like simulation earth

Its all a simulation

@Silly Rabbit, Trix Are For Kids i aint doing that

Technically, yes, it could be another possibility.

dover i didnt mean you

dover i was pointing out the behavior to you, not saying you did it