if we already have the hypothetical power to kill said person, why not use our hypothetical to kill patient zero in the wet market?

that would save even more lives

From a utilitarian standpoint, that would be the right thing to do. I'm not a 1000% committed utilitarian, but in this case it does seem like it would be worth it.

I agree that B(H)itler did what he did because of his delusions, but those can very hard to talk people out of once they're committed to the path of large scale genocide.

or, we could use the hypothetical to go back in time to influence the CCP to ban ritualistic/traditional reasons for animal consumption.

then we would probably prevent SARS too

> I agree that B(H)itler did what he did because of his delusions, but those can very hard to talk people out of once they're committed to the path of large scale genocide.
@Katelyn
Here B(hitler ) has a commanility with lot many people around him. And he gained mass support cuz they all share something in common. ( Hatred towards Jews).
If it's not for the commanility Hitler himself wouldn't have accounted for that genocide.

banning usury wouldve also prevented WWII

He rose to power using those common grounds

If Hitler said something like Jews are good guys that's against the will of their people he share space with and he would have never achieved what he would have achieved

What he achieved***

That's why I'm saying he just organised that hatred which was there into killing machines.

> That's why I'm saying he just organised that hatred which was there into killing machines.
@Homeschool dropout which was already there into****

@Homeschool dropout Yes and no I think. Sure, B(hilter) was reflective of larger scale probelms, but they also can actively add fuel to the fire. To switch to a more straightforward example with Trump (not saying he's like Hitler), Trump is the biggest source of misinformation about covid (this has been shown empirically, I can provide the study if you want). This misinformation has caused people to take it less seriously. He also actively encouraged states to open too early (can provide empirical evidence for this too), and has started a moronic culture war about masks, which is the one major thing we know to be helping prevent the spread. If we had literally anyone else as president right now, say, Bush, Obama, Romney, etc., we would not have misinformation spreading this much. Sure, there's always going to be idiots and people wanting to make up conspiracies, but it would be significantly attenuated if it weren't the POTUS saying these things and actively undermining health experts in his own administration. So in this case, it seems like Trump is largely creating this situation which probably wouldn't have happened under the any other administration.

I'm not saying Trump and Hitler are anywhere near the same, but I'm much more familiar with the situation with Trump than I am with Hitler. And I think it's not unreasonable to extrapolate that orgnized hatred is a lot more dangerous than unorganized hatred, and removing that organizing figure could make it considerably harder for them to get a foothold and act on their hatred.

> @Homeschool dropout Yes and no I think. Sure, B(hilter) was reflective of larger scale probelms, but they also can actively add fuel to the fire. To switch to a more straightforward example with Trump (not saying he's like Hitler), Trump is the biggest source of misinformation about covid (this has been shown empirically, I can provide the study if you want). This misinformation has caused people to take it less seriously. He also actively encouraged states to open too early (can provide empirical evidence for this too), and has started a moronic culture war about masks, which is the one major thing we know to be helping prevent the spread. If we had literally anyone else as president right now, say, Bush, Obama, Romney, etc., we would not have misinformation spreading this much. Sure, there's always going to be idiots and people wanting to make up conspiracies, but it would be significantly attenuated if it weren't the POTUS saying these things and actively undermining health experts in his own administration. So in this case, it seems like Trump is largely creating this situation which probably wouldn't have happened under the any other administration.
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> I'm not saying Trump and Hitler are anywhere near the same, but I'm much more familiar with the situation with Trump than I am with Hitler. And I think it's not unreasonable to extrapolate that orgnized hatred is a lot more dangerous than unorganized hatred, and removing that organizing figure could make it considerably harder for them to get a foothold and act on their hatred.
@Katelyn

Darling, I would never turn to a politician for health related queries.
That's why we have Doctors.
Politicians are experts in politics and doctors good at assessing our health.

We have to be cautious about where we are getting our information from

Right, but then why is Trump saying these things? You can say folks shouldn't trust him all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do, and they're getting really bad information that is causing them to make bad decisions. If Trump wasn't contradicting his own public health experts, those people probably wouldn't be believing falsehoods that Trump is making up.

And honestly, the way people are arguing that we shouldn't trust the president to make accurate statements about a health and safety during a pandemic just shows how pathetically low we've gotten.

These are not respectable standards to have for the president of the United States.

> Right, but then why is Trump saying these things? You can say folks shouldn't trust him all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do, and they're getting really bad information that is causing them to make bad decisions. If Trump wasn't contradicting his own public health experts, those people probably wouldn't be believing falsehoods that Trump is making up.
@Katelyn
Well I don't know much about Trump for that matter, but I'm sure he didn't climb up the ladder himself to become president. It's you people who cast your valuable votes.
I would never vote with such a temperament

i would never vote a guy with such temperament***

Yeah no kidding. But to bring it back to the point, bad things are not always some inevitable larger societal phenomenon. In this case, it seems like it's mostly Trump who is doing this, and many of the other leaders we could plausibly have had at this time would not have created this situation.

What's the media doing when Trumps spreading all that misinformation?

Aren't they educating people on Covid?

They're trying, but Trump has been doing his best to convince people not trust the media too.

Anyway, people will only believe what they want to believe until they are hardly struck with something that contradicts them

Who would put their trust on a politician for health related issues??

Only a moron

But in the case of Trump, people didn't really have beliefs about masks, social distancing, etc. beforehand. If Trump had said that masks are great and we should all social distance, his crazy supporters would probably think that too.

Are you one of them?

I would be glad if you aren't

Of course not. I already voted for Biden lol

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