@therealdandan My mother went the last 12 years without receiveing the flu shot. Her kidney doctor talked her into it and 2 weeks later she passed away at 82

and...

im sorry for your loss

but that is not evidance

A coincidence is not evidence

@therealdandan you can't necessarily make a claim that all elderly receive vaccines. My family doesn't

if you have one 80 year-old take the flue vaccine, and not die

what does that say

@Deleted User do you know what a placebo is ?

@therealdandan If every 80 year old dies after receiver the flu shot then we wouldn't be have this discussion

8having

just entertain me for a second ?

do you know what a placebo is ?

@therealdandan Yes. and by the way vaccines aren't test using a placebo sample group

8tested

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in a study for a new cancer drug involving 10 people all ten participants were given chemo therapy 5 were given the new experimental medication and 5 were given the placebo

the 5 who were given the placebo lived and the 5 who were given the experimental drug died

what can we understand from this study?

does placebo cure cancer?

does the experimental drug kill people ?

does chemo interact with the experimental drug?

^ this was an example given in my experimental design class

I would need to know which received the chemo

all 10 did

gotcha

I do understand how the placebo works

I knew this channel would pop off eventually

@Smoke And it did

It did indeed, aha

lets not get off topic..

My conclusion is that most people who argue in favor of vaccinations without monetary incentive haven't thought about them critically

can you address my question?

lets not go off topic

@Deleted User

Sound like the drug may have interacted with the chemo

We dont know that

Honestly, can we just put an end to this insufferable buffoonery? There is no link causal link between vaccines and autism - despite the fact that dozens of studies have looked for one. This fanciful notion that there is an exercise in imagination and idiocy of the highest order. What on earth would it mean to “show that vaccines are safe”? How about this: They conclusively and demonstrably provide protection against deadly diseases without resulting in any meaningful complications in >99% of cases - extending life expectancy and helping to ensure against the violent retirement of our species at the hands of a viral agent. How on earth does that not qualify as “safe” to you? The fact that these claims are so pervasive, and that non-vaccinations are on the rise, is an indictment of stupidity on the human race. These vacuous, imbecilic, vexatious, nonsensical claims endanger the lives of others and undermine our robustness as a species. I’m sorry to be so vituperative, but I have little patience for people fanning the flame of infectious disease by frightening gullible parents into denying their newborns one of the greatest advancements in the history of the human race . It’s appalling, repugnant, irresponsible sophistry devoid of reason and rationality and fueled by foolishness and lunacy, and has the inevitable result of endangering the lives of human beings and degrading immunity.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673600042379

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/smallpox/9241561106.pdf

@davesp1903 If you had multiple autistic members of your family you may not be able to dismiss it as buffoonery so easily. You'd want to know too