Message from @JPMcGlone

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2020-10-01 19:35:11 UTC  

I know you can't believe it. Me 5 years ago wouldn't either, which sounds exactly like the kind of things Christians would say to me and I hated them for it. Condescending pricks 😉

2020-10-01 19:36:17 UTC  

For me it's all predicated on the belief and understanding that there is ONE Truth (we all share it) and that lying about that truth is bad.

The rest followed, after many years of a meetup i hosted around Jordan Peterson's work, of all people. He's not even a Christian, but he certainly turned me toward Christ

2020-10-01 19:36:58 UTC  

It basically became a general philosophy meet. Twice a week

2020-10-01 19:37:26 UTC  

There was one guy who was a Christian there, the rest were atheists, or some sort of "spiritual" like buddhist. I argued with all of them

2020-10-01 19:37:51 UTC  

The Christian never convinced me, he only showed me how what I was saying was already covered in the bible. I thought I was discovering aspects of reality that were unaccounted for. Nope.

2020-10-01 19:38:20 UTC  

We’re like the opposite lol I went to a Christian school for 8 years and was totally devoted now I’m an absolute atheist non believer

2020-10-01 19:38:35 UTC  

In Christian terms, the Holy Spirit was working in me. In more secular terms, my drive for Truth led me there. You need to ask yourself if you're actually seeking Truth or not. People use this term "my truth" -- i never cared about my truth. If anything, I wanted MY TRUTH to be aligned with THE TRUTH

2020-10-01 19:39:29 UTC  

If you believe there is a "The Truth" -- then please do what you can to make your truth align with it. I'm confident that will lead you to what I and many call Christ

2020-10-01 19:39:52 UTC  

Read the Bible and try to salvage all the Truth from it you can. Treat everything like that, and a pattern will emerge

2020-10-01 19:40:01 UTC  

And yea, T2, I was catholic before I was atheist

2020-10-01 19:40:28 UTC  

I found Christ half way through age 31 (I'm 32 now) so, I'm young in it

2020-10-01 19:44:09 UTC  

What do you mean by “truth”

2020-10-01 19:45:12 UTC  

A truth about the universe that I am interested in is how did life start. And every claim the Bible makes about that has been proven wrong.

2020-10-01 19:48:32 UTC  

Yea that. And no it hasn’t been “proven wrong” it’s been read like claims, instead of like stories.

2020-10-01 19:48:44 UTC  

Let’s not conflate topics here

2020-10-01 19:48:47 UTC  

Stick to Truth

2020-10-01 19:49:03 UTC  

Do you believe one truth governs all of this universe?

2020-10-01 19:50:18 UTC  

No

2020-10-01 19:50:43 UTC  

Everything could be wrong

2020-10-01 19:51:45 UTC  

If you believe so

2020-10-01 19:51:54 UTC  

Anyway, gotta run. Christ be with you

2020-10-01 19:52:13 UTC  

Science doesn’t work in truths

2020-10-01 19:52:16 UTC  

It has theory’s

2020-10-01 19:52:26 UTC  

That’s just how science works it’s not my beliefs

2020-10-01 19:52:39 UTC  

Everything is open to be disproven

2020-10-01 19:52:50 UTC  

That’s the difference

2020-10-01 19:52:55 UTC  

Theories of truth

2020-10-01 19:53:01 UTC  

Truth claims. Claims of truth

2020-10-01 19:53:09 UTC  

Truth is the foundation of all claims and theories

2020-10-01 19:53:23 UTC  

Otherwise you’d have nothing to theorize and make claims about lol

2020-10-01 19:54:10 UTC  

A theory starts with a hypothesis

2020-10-01 19:54:17 UTC  

A hypothesis is the foundation

2020-10-01 19:54:25 UTC  

That’s important

2020-10-01 19:54:30 UTC  

A hypothesis about reality

2020-10-01 19:54:37 UTC  

A hypothesis of what the truth is or isn’t

2020-10-01 19:54:54 UTC  

Some hypothesis can’t be measured without acting them out

2020-10-01 19:54:59 UTC  

Actually all have to be enacted in some way

2020-10-01 19:55:04 UTC  

Something that is true is something that is absolute correct?

2020-10-01 19:55:14 UTC  

You’re right JP

2020-10-01 19:55:31 UTC  

Yes. Truth is the highest standard

2020-10-01 19:55:38 UTC  

True things measure up to the truth